Don't worry about the Taliban ladies, just stop identifying as a woman

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[–]lefterfield 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The outcomes for the women and girls is tragic, I'll absolutely grant that. I just don't think it's realistic for the US to try to save everyone, cold as that may seem. Women and girls are suffering in countries all across the world - but I believe the only way to effect and keep real change is for it to come from within. China is a problem on multiple fronts, I don't know that Afghanistan is the most important one. But I understand where you're coming from, I don't really like choosing pragmatism when it comes to human suffering, I just don't see any lasting impact from any other course.

[–]KimiORabu 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The change you speak of can never come from within. Most of their population support women being oppressed like that. And when you give the power to Taliban, there's not much the rest of the population can do. Taliban don't hesitate to use whatever they have to crush the heads of those that get in their way. Everyone ends up shaking in fear. You underestimate the power of islamic groups. Perhaps you never experienced it - the true colors of islam. Or perhaps you did and happen to be one of those liberals that ignores the red flags for your political agenda.

Once an islamic group takes over a country, the country is doomed. Nothing can change it for the better, unless some outside country starts a war and takes over.

In the past 20 years, the only reason Taliban didn't dare intervene was because USA troops were in Afghanistan. With their withdrawal, it's game over.

I also don't see the point of comparing case to case. Just because women "suffer" in xyz country doesn't mean women should get over it in Afghanistan.

[–]lefterfield 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What do you see as the solution though? The US(or some other power) stays in the country for 10, 20, 100 years, propping up the government and enforcing a peace the people don't really care about themselves? I don't believe there was a good side here. The Afgan government and officials were doing some messed up and corrupt things too - but sure, it's true that they're slightly less reprehensible than the Taliban. If there's one thing I agree with Biden on, it's that you can't give people the will to fight for their country.

And I'm all for criticism of Islam. I think "liberals" and westerners are complete and utter morons for thinking it's just a 'cultural difference'. It is brutal to women and boys, and yes, when it takes over, the country is doomed. Afghanistan is doomed, sorry to say. Don't act like I'm ignorant of the reality of the situation just because I say: It's not our problem. It should never have been our problem. We (stupidly) gave the Afgan army every advantage and training, and this is STILL the end result. Absolutely nothing. Correction: Worse than nothing, because it's worse than when we started.

So again, what's the solution? What should be done that wasn't tried in the past 20 years, that would have somehow made a difference?

[–]KimiORabu 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only solution is humanity's extinction. At least 2,000 years of humanity brainwashing each other with religion, heterosexism, etc and it's still ongoing. I'd put an end to everyone else, and then myself, until nothing is left, if I were given access to the bombs. If there were a button that put an end to everyone and everything, that would be the ideal.

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, there's no solution. Forgive me if I'd rather take what I can get from my small community of mostly decent people and my cats and dog.