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[–]lefterfield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Eh. The USA should have never been there for 20 years to begin with. I hate Biden and the democrats, but I still feel like he's being criticized too harshly for a long string of presidential mistakes. And that this would have happened regardless.

[–]terf41percentjanny 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I respectfully disagree, if the only thing keeping them from fucking around with girls and women, was the us being there, then I wouldn't have minded if we stayed there, like forever, if it meant this shit would happen. besides china wants this shit to happen, to undermine the usa.

[–]lefterfield 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The outcomes for the women and girls is tragic, I'll absolutely grant that. I just don't think it's realistic for the US to try to save everyone, cold as that may seem. Women and girls are suffering in countries all across the world - but I believe the only way to effect and keep real change is for it to come from within. China is a problem on multiple fronts, I don't know that Afghanistan is the most important one. But I understand where you're coming from, I don't really like choosing pragmatism when it comes to human suffering, I just don't see any lasting impact from any other course.

[–]Anonimouse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Pragmatic is helping refugees get out of that place/settle somewhere safe rather than using force to keep it vaguely safe.

[–]lefterfield 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree.