Abigail Shrier is cheering on Bruce Jenner for California Governor (and uses female pronouns for him) - talk about mixed messages...

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[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Abigail tweet is endorsing Jenner's campaign ad. The last thing the hippy-dippy, airy-fairy state of Trans Uber Alles California needs is another celebrity governor, much less a TiM celebrity governor.

And the last thing all the female detransitioners and their parents, who found some kind of explanation of the crazy spiral they got sucked into in Abigail's book, need is her appearing to endorse this man, because he is clearly an autogynephile and so, far from being a "True Trans, (which I personally believe is a mental illness) he's simply a heterosexual male who gets off on cross-dressing.

And really - Abigail spoke in front of the US Senate and probably did a considerable amount to save Americans from the Equality Act, so for her to suddenly appear to endorse a TiM for an incredibly important political role will come across as an endorsement of the True Trans narrative and set our struggle back immeasurably.

[–]one1won 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An opposing view to user needmorecoffee:

Scream it from the rooftops - The House Is On Fire!! This Is Not A Drill. Women's safety, dignity, and personhood are at stake.

Screw being "nice" or "empathetic"! There's a place for rage in advocacy, and shutting up or shutting down women capable of channeling their rage is misogynistic. Well behaved women seldom make history!

A single focus strategy is ineffective. 2nd wave feminists didn't accomplish so many gains by solely using "politically correct" speech. Fuck being empathetic! Dudes screech when they believe they're being stomped on - if women don't get nasty, dudes assume women consent/agree. Well, I fucking don't! Sometimes, you have to "speak their language" to be understood.

I may not always agree with an individual woman's position/outlook on issues, I DO vehemently defend her right to her opinions and approach. Even user's needmorecoffee - for the userself, but not any behavior-policing.

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read this post before I read needmorecoffee's reply to me. My thoughts:

Women's collective rage has fueled a lot of change. And sometimes, since so many of us are trained from birth to be kind, and to not speak out, sometimes an angry, but well-spoken, woman shocks men, and women with internalized misogyny, into listening.

I also think that many women are silently seething, or at least becoming very concerned, about this issue as it becomes apparent that the Gender Mob has launched a War on Women, so when one of us harpies (and I don't mind being called a harpy) start banging the drums, it emboldens other women to also speak out.

But also, I remember the tail-end of Second Wave feminism, and from my young perspective, it was a very broad movement - women of every color and socio-economic class had just had it with our oppression. So 2nd Wave feminism was a collective scream, but it wouldn't have been possible without the women who were willing to risk everything by starting their own screaming first.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No it does not.

What does set our struggle back immeasurably, and what people like you don't want to hear, is that we can't just go "all tims as fetishists". The only thing they can hold over the head of gender criticals is that we are supposedly all transphobic bigots.

I get most of us are angry and frustrated but acting just the way the genderists say we act is not a good look especially to the majority of people who have no idea what is going on.

We need to be nuanced and show empathy to mental illness and if there a TIM that is not completely horrible we cant just attack them because they are a TIM. Acting like a bull in a china shop is hurting us horribly every single day.

Whether you like it or not, no one listens to women. Our voices do not mean shit. So we need men, gay men and even truscum transsexuals on our side to make our voices sound louder.

If you can't even see this and just keep raging than you aren't doing this for our cause, you are doing it for your own anger. Cool down and think. We need to be strategic about this shit to get rid of it asap. Anything else sets us back.

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I spent quite a bit of time as a professional monitoring global events, including US elections and elections around the world. IMO, Abigail Shrier, a conservative Republican, a very prominent voice against the automatic transitioning of minors and one of the few people allowed by the Senate Judiciary Committee to testify against the Equality Act (or was she the only one?) endorsing a TiM for governor of California will legitimize the True Trans narrative among people who have not been paying attention. It will therefore make those of us fighting to retain our rights, our sex-segregated spaces and our sports, seem unreasonable.

At my age, I don't give an F what people call me - and when I contact politicians, journalists, etc., about this issue I give them my credentials, which is often enough to make them listen. And then I couch my arguments against the Cult of Genderology using logic, and irrefutable facts and figures.

I agree that men (and sometimes other women) will use any excuse not to listen to women, but when women have credentials and can counter any of the opposing arguments with iron clad arguments, we can get our point across.

I think Abigail's stellar academic credentials are one of the reasons she is taken seriously. People are listening to her, and that's what I fear with her endorsement of Bozo Bruce - I don't know Bruce, but know many people who do, and the consensus is he's a schmuck.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For starters imho Shrier is not taken seriously. They constantly paint her as a wall street journalist that does know nothing about gender issues. The only reason she has gotten a platform is the backlash and freak outs of the gender ideologues which resulted in the banning of her books which made people want to read it which made her a successful selling author.

Credentials mean nothing when you are a woman. Not ONE women's organization was consulted anywhere on the planet before all this gender shit made it into law and organizations. If they were there would have discussions about the conflict of rights and demands from the start. I don't know about you, but i have not seen any such debates.

I see no issue with the true trans rethoric because that is reality. There always have been an extremely small group of homosexual boys who found it very hard to live with who they are and can't cope emotionally. I knew one in the 90's and frankly everyone, including himself, saw him as a gay man and he was just trying to live his life. I have no issues with that and I never will.

If anything I am completely fine with the rethoric that kids turned a mental illness into a fashion trend just like they used to do with cutting in the 90's, or anorexia before that. It helps it explain how it can be a social contagion that is affecting kids, which is again what Abigails book is about. Returing it to a mental illness that needs a lot of therapy before transition is even considered if for me the best outcome. Removing self ID, reevalution and removal of affirming therapy. Holding the medical profession accountable is a must.

In turn this will put a spotlight on AGP and once we get there the conflict with women's rights will be overwhelmingly visible and understandable by all.

You seem to forget most people do not know what is going on and think this gender cult is the new gay civil rights movement. It needs to go back to being a mental illness because those are totally different conversations. Should a mentally ill man be in womans sports or a womans prison? definitely not.

That is a better conversation then all these lgbtqwtfbbq children are perverts and harrassing women, one that is easier to sell and makes us look like we have a point instead of being bigots.

Shrier is smart. Here is this transphobic author supporting jenner while the genderists throw hissy fits and call bruce a fake trans and tell him to kill himself.

You could not get more widespread positive publicity for the gender critical side if you tried. And I just wish the GC women would stop being their own worst enemy and fucking ruin it instead of surfing this huge glorious wave

A reminder again, there are rapists men in women's prisons. We can't get our point across we lost the war. Women are second rate citizens. Stop being an angry bull in a china chop.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm angry on here but IRL I spent years dealing with very powerful people so do know how to restrain myself when it's in the best interests of the arguments I am making. Although, I feel that anger does have its place in certain situations.

And I think that while Shrier might be ridiculed by a certain crowd (the Dumbo SJW TRAs), her book made very prestigious lists (THE ECONOMIST, THE TIMES UK) and is being translated into multiple languages.

Shrier also got to testify in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee about the dangers of the Equality Act, which she did masterfully. Just the fact that out of all Americans, Abigail got to testify indicates to me that many powerful people take her seriously.

And, having read Shrier's twitter, and her articles, since well before IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE was published, I would say that she's actually excited by Jenner as a candidate, because she is a conservative, she hates California Democrats and most of California's liberal policies, and she was waxing poetic about Jenner's campaign ad.

So I don't think she's supporting Jenner as some kind of chess move to underhandedly prove to the world that most TiMs are nuts, I think she actually is considering endorsing him as governor of California.

And that bums me out because the man is a perverted, famewhore who has zero integrity, much less any knowledge of government, who was proven just now to have lied about voting, and who probably couldn't run a can drive much less the massive and unwieldly state of California.