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[–]NeedMoreCoffee 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Doctors are there to do their fucking job. If a young person comes in with a broken arm and they are on medication that might affect bone strenght they will do follow ups. I had that happen and i'm not trans.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITH CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES OR WHO ARE ON MEDICATIONS HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE MEDICAL HISTORY ALL THE DAMN TIME. BECAUSE ITS A DOCTORS JOB TO MAKE SURE YOU ARENT GOING TO DROP DEAD NEXT WEEK FROM SOME PREVENTABLE CONDITION.

You lot don't even understand basic biology most of the time so how about you let the doctor you went to see do their job without being an entitled brat. And just cause some moron at pink news made up some word salad "trans broken arm syndrome" to whine about it doesn't mean it's a thing. That is not even what syndrome means stop butchering the bloody language. Stop making up words. Stop appropriating illnesses.

If they take care of trans like they would any other patient you lot take issue. If they treat you special you lot take issue. If they don't treat you you lot take issue. Make up your damn minds what you want.

No one needs to deal with that shit, especially not during a bloody pandemic. Seriously.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If a young person comes in with a broken arm and they are on medication that might affect bone strenght they will do follow ups. I had that happen and i'm not trans.

Great, the fundamental problem is that HRT strengthens bones: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28370342/

You lot don't even understand basic biology most of the time

Well, since HRT is often made difficult to access for many transgender people. A lot of transgender people have to study the intricacies of how hormones are processed in the body so that they can do the appropriate calculations to dose their estrogen (or testosterone) correctly.

Which, in order to accomplish that, involves a more profound understanding of biology that makes it abundantly clear that on a biochemical level men and women have more in common than they differ.

Again, if men and women were so dramatically different as you claim, they would need a men-only vaccine and a women-only vaccine for the covid virus, now wouldn't they?

If they take care of trans like they would any other patient you lot take issue. If they treat you special you lot take issue. If they don't treat you you lot take issue. Make up your damn minds what you want.

Have you ever considered that the transgender population is full of individuals who all have their own separate opinions? There is no transgender hive mind... for that matter since you are keen to label transgender ideology a cult... wouldn't this be evidence that instead of following a singular doctrine, like a cult, the transgender population is allowed to have their own independent thoughts?

No one needs to deal with that shit, especially not during a bloody pandemic. Seriously.

Well, the irony of the situation is that until trump and his supporters explicitly went out of their way to bring transgender care to the forefront of everyone's minds... nobody was dealing with it. Ironically, it is because of other's visceral hatred of us (including members of this sub) that the rest of society has looked at your ilk's actions in horror and decide to rally in support of us.

Good job, you played yourself.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

A lot of transgender people have to study the intricacies of how hormones are processed in the body so that they can do the appropriate calculations to dose their estrogen (or testosterone) correctly.

Which, in order to accomplish that, involves a more profound understanding of biology

LOL. Evidence please.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's called DIY HRT, if transgender people are prevented access to doctors to guide their HRT, most will just take matters into their own hands. Find their own source of estrogens or testosterone and transition without medical assistance.

Similar to how, when abortion is made illegal, women will take matters into their own hands to abort children.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I grew up in the US before abortion was legal, and know/knew women who had to "take matters into their own hands." I've travelled to countries where abortion is illegal, and have known many women who came from such countries and emigrated to Europe, the UK or North America. Many have had hair-raising "DIY experiences. But I've never, ever heard any of them claim that getting, or performing, an ad hoc abortion has equipped them or anyone else with or

involves a more profound understanding of biology

Than, say, health care professionals and people who've actually studied biology, medicine, reproductive health, pre-natal development, sex differences, etc and/or who've kept abreast of the ongoing findings in these areas.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The association with DIY abortions is to give you a more relatable situation where "When the need is great enough, people will take matters into their own hands, doctor or not." It is not meant to have anything to do with the relative knowledge necessary to carry out each DIY task.

Transgender HRT is not a thoroughly researched area of medicine. As such, it does not take a lot to reach a point where someone is on-par with or more advanced in understanding than an endocrinologist. There have been a few endocrinologists & family doctors who offer HRT that either point to or even praise information shared amongst the transgender community as more qualitative than what is available in formal medical circles.

For the sake of understanding where this claim of knowledge greater than health care professionals comes from, suspend your own personal views on gender identity theory for a moment. I'm trying to highlight the pragmatics of the situation in which ideology might make overly complicated to explain.

To be clear that's not a criticism of formal medicine though. The symptoms of dysphoria being as intense as they are, provide the transgender community a sense of urgency and/or willingness to experiment in a way that most medical ethics boards probably would not be willing to approve in a formal setting. As such more formal medicine is lagging behind.

Formal medical circles have nothing to gain from urgency and everything to lose. Transgender people have everything to gain and nothing to lose from urgent and more exploratory experimentation. If we do nothing, we'll eventually succumb to a particularly bad bout of dysphoria and die by our own hands. If we attempt something and fuck up, usually that outcome will be a happier existence than death. If we get it right then, great, we get to have the same baseline of content living as a cis-gendered individual (at least if we ignore potential discrimination).

This is why my original comment on this thread was "We need more research to know anything useful." Currently, the field of knowledge on transgender care is so shallow that it does not take a whole lot to get to a level that is on par with medical professionals.