"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me" - Debbie Hayton

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[–]absoluteblasphemy 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Super interesting video. If all trans identified folk thought like this we wouldn’t be in such hot water right now.

Thought it was very poignant how Debbie says he wouldn’t have wished to transition as a child because then he would not have had children. It’s very counter to the huge swathes of the trans community are pushing for early transition, because testosterone “ruins” them or some such, they don’t understand what it is to wipe out people’s fertility for no good reason.

I saw a video from a TW the other day who had been on hormones for a few years, and he seemed to genuinely believe that he could become fertile again because his doctor told him so. Literally never happens, Gigi Gorgeous and Blair White both took time off estradiol/blockers and it didn’t happen.

Never heard of it happening in the short periods TW come off hormones, only ever for detransitioned men post a couple years.

Doctors need to be laying out very clearly this is basically a one way street to sterility. AND that it seems to benefit trans IDd people to spend at least a portion of their life trying to live as their biological sex. I hope someone is taking notes.

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thought it was very poignant how Debbie says he wouldn’t have wished to transition as a child because then he would not have had children.

But tellingly in Debbie's ret-conned account of his life, he emphasizes how important having children has been to him without ever mentioning his wife not even once. Debbie never acknowledges that he has children only thanks to the woman who conceived, gestated and gave birth to them.

Nor does Debbie ever note that his wife is the one who held their family together whilst Debbie went through a mid-life crisis in which Debbie was solely concerned with this own self, his AGP & his "transition" - and that Debbie's wife is also the one who got stuck helping the kids deal with their distress over dad announcing he's now a woman.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, excellent comment. This is something I find with even the most agreeable and quote unquote “nice” trans identified people; they seem to not have much in the way of understanding where their thought paths lead when absorbed by younger generations.

Moving away from the problem of what his transition did to his wife and children, which I’m in full agreement with you and others here about. Debbie likes having children, young TIMs are basically not going to have that option, at least if they’re transed as children. Lots of TIMs won’t do sperm donation either because their dysphoria, uwu.

And whomst exactly do we think pushed in this legislation for mass transition and social acceptance if not the OG transsexuals? There is still a lot to be answered for.

This is why I reiterate that it’s a pathology.

Also don’t get me started on the TW who think they’re worthy of having their genetic material passed on. Or having women carry and raise their children. Actually just enrages me beyond rationally, let’s not further burden our evolutionary progress by producing offspring for men who chose to sterilise themselves, please.

Edit: ahhhhhh words