"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me" - Debbie Hayton

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[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't really care about his personal life. Any time a man announces he wants to dress like a woman, his wife should leave, no further questions asked. But whatever their relationship now is their business. All Debbie can speak to is how he feels about his experiences, and that's all that's told here. What I think is more important is that his interview may give a lot of non-radfem people a new perspective and reason to believe that they're not being "mean" by telling the truth about transgenderism.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

All Debbie can speak to is how he feels about his experiences, and that's all that's told here.

But over many years, Debbie has been on many public platforms in which his lack of concern for his wife and children (both of whom are daughters, I believe) has been on display for all the world.

If Debbie is to be extolled for speaking about "how he feels about his experiences," and nothing more can be asked of Debbie, I still have to wonder why the Triggernometry guys and nearly all other press accounts - by Debbie & by others - fail to probe or even mention that what drove Debbie to go trans is AGP. Debbie has publicly come out as AGP, but beyond that crickets.

Any time a man announces he wants to dress like a woman, his wife should leave, no further questions asked.

This suggests to me that you are very poorly informed about what it's like to be a woman & mother of children in a heterosexual marriage/LTR where the male partner/father is an AGP.

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

None of what you're saying changes in any way my lack of concern for the relationship between Debbie and his wife. I'm sure he is dismissive, egotistical, and has little regard for her support. Just like the vast majority of married men toward their wives. What I care about is the lies being told to children about transgenderism, the laws being passed to silence critics, the rights that women everywhere lose.

This suggests to me that you are very poorly informed about what it's like to be a woman & mother of children in a heterosexual marriage/LTR where the male partner/father is an AGP.

It's unfortunate if it's hard for her to leave, but she is not my responsibility. You want me to support shelters for women, cool, awesome, I do already. And keep the men out of them. You are mistaking my exasperation with the desire of radical feminists to lose the war in favor of winning every tiny battle with not being aware of what her life may be like. No, I am. I just don't care. She's an adult, and she's one woman. Hundreds of thousands of people will see this interview, and be introduced to a perspective they are not allowed to discuss on social media. That is a GOOD THING. And that's what I care about.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Huh? I never said Debbie's interviews & articles shouldn't be shared. I agree with you that it's a GOOD THING that Debbie's current views & recent columns get as wide an airing as possible.

I was just pointing out that Debbie's narrative of how Debbie came to be is artfully crafted to leave out certain very important aspects - and to exclude entirely the impact of Debbie's AGP & selfish behavior on Debbie's wife & children.

I just don't care. She's an adult, and she's one woman.

To me, this just shows that you have no idea how widespread AGP is, and how many women (wives, partners) & children there are whose lives these men's sexual fetish & narcissism have wreaked havoc on.

[–]lefterfield 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, you insist on confusing my disagreement with you as being a matter of ignorance. She is an adult, and she is one woman. If her situation is intolerable, she should leave. My opinion on the interview or their marriage will do nothing to help with that.

Bottom line: I don't care how his behavior affects his wife. That is a question for a divorce attorney, a support group, or a women's shelter. I care about the people who will benefit from the interview, and I'm tired of radical feminists focusing on anything other than the larger, political battle.