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[–]absoluteblasphemy 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan are seriously pulling heavy weight with the gender stuff at the moment. I have to be thankful for them, a few years ago men had been very quiet about the issue, now I feel like we’re watching them pick a side.

I’ve noticed in the case of trans kids it’s always the dads who are reluctant. I’ve never seen a man driven to trans their child. It’s nearly always women who are driving this on a ground level. And I feel like those individuals we can reach more than the doctors and the shrinks that are perpetuating this.

Men don’t fold to social pressure about “right things” as much as women are inclined to, I’m putting a lot of bank on that now because a lot of female voices are being shut down. Doctors and TRAs are not even taking seriously the surge in female detransitioners speaking out about what happened to them.

I don’t think any 21st century woman wants to ask men for help but I’m feeling like HEY this gender ideology is targeting women and children and we need bigger guns. So in that respect very good to see men doing the thing they are most excellent at and upholding some fucking structure around here lest we all completely lose our minds.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’ve noticed in the case of trans kids it’s always the dads who are reluctant. I’ve never seen a man driven to trans their child.

That's likely because munchausens by proxy is almost always the mother rather than because women are being influenced by social pressure. It's very much as female form of abuse and control. These munchausens mothers have just found a new trend to hid their abuse behind.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes I agree, I was thinking of munchausens by proxy when I was writing this, but I believe it’s deeper than that thinking about the cases of mothers who are transing their children then “adopt” other “trans children” that aren’t being supported by their parents. Which is less visible than the women crying about how their sons are so brave for having heir genitals surgically altered but still happening and even potentially an extension of munchausens. The social phenomena has grown very complex.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another reason this seems to be so driven by moms is that the vast majority of child rearing, and particularly being aware of tending to the medical and psychological needs/distress of children, is still left mainly to women. Moreover, for many women with children even today being a mom is the social role they and others put the most priority on - and "being a good mom" is their main way of obtaining self-worth. Whereas for most men "bringing home the bacon" is their main social role, and their principal source of self-esteem comes from their jobs, their sexual prowess, the sports they do, and their hobbies - the job they are doing as dads, not so much.

But unlike classic Munchasen's by Proxy mothers, who seek to hoodwink medical professionals and childrearing experts, most of the mothers of "trans kids" sincerely have sought out medical and psychiatric care and expert advice for their kids - and they are only following the orders of the doctors, therapists and other "experts" they've consulted.

Whilst some women - such as the Joanna Kennedy-Olsens, Helen Webberly, Susie Green of Mermaids and Carmichael of the UK's GIDS/Tavi service for kids - have played a big role in the push to medically trans children nowadays, the fact is that most of the health care professionals who cooked up the concept of "trans children" in the first place and treat these kids are men. The very concept of "gender identity" is something men devised. And all the treatments have been pioneered by men. The "Dutch protocol" advocating puberty blockers for "gender dysphoric" children comes from Steensma, a man, and was introduced to the rest of the world by another man, Norman Spack. All the doctors who pioneered genital surgeries for "transition" were men, and even today the vast majority of surgeons who do both "top surgeries" and "bottom surgeries" are men. Big Pharma companies have a lot of female employees, particularly young good-looking women who work as sales reps, but the CEOS and "creative minds" in the industry are all men.