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[–]Comatoast 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

It's not just the gaps in the stalls, it's them being able to freely install recording devices in those spaces and unknowingly having our bodies plastered all over the internet for voyeurs. This also opens up the whole can of worms with public bathroom sex that I would well appreciate my kids (or self) having to possibly witness.

I already don't feel all that comfortable dealing with the bullshit included with menstruation in public restrooms, but at least there was the background understanding that there's a misery loves company aspect in sisterhood there, and the chick 3 stalls down isn't likely to be thrilled with her own potential period situation either.

I will straight up say that if a place seems that uncomfortable, I will absolutely have my husband accompany me to the toilets instead of waiting out by the doors. If all men can be women, they won't mind the two freshly out temporary "lesbian wife" that I've brought in for protection for myself. If I end up witnessing anything happening, I can't promise that I won't attempt to beat a man's ass with a trash can myself though.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That already happened to me. Spy cam. The bodies of every woman, young to old, made into porn. Also all the children - babies, toddlers, 5-year-olds. We were all made into porn.

But if the Equality Act passes in the US, men won't need spy cams. They'll just walk into the women's locker rooms and get live porn of women AND kids. And there won't be one damn thing we can do about it.

[–]eddyelric 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sometime, I just want to cry. it's never enough for them, isn't it?

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just responded to you in another thread asking you to please call your Senators tomorrow to say NO to the Equality Act and NO to Rachel Levine.

Please call your congressional House rep too because the Equality Act vote in the House is on Thursday.

Thanks!

[–]GConly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will absolutely have my husband accompany me to the toilets

I can see that happening a fair bit.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Honestly, someone determined to gain access to and install recording devices is disgusting enough that they wouldn't be deterred or encouraged by this legislation. At worst, they'd use this legislation to try and protect themselves if caught, but if they're seen with recording equipment in hand, it wouldn't go far.

The data suggests that most people who identify as trans want bathroom or locker room access not in order for rape or voyeurism, but rather to use the women present for sexual thrills, simply by their presence alone. The trans community would generally refer to this as validation, but it's basically them getting sexual thrills from forcing other women to acknowledge their presence and tolerate men in their presence as "women". From the article on Autogynephilia by Sue Donym (since banned from Medium.com but reposted here): https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-elephant-in-the-room

“Others were sexually excited by the idea of being with other women in a gym or locker room and feeling as though they genuinely belonged or deserved to be there. Here are two representative examples:

“I started hormones about 6 months ago and am awaiting approval for sex reassignment surgery. The most sexually exciting thing about being a woman is fitting in as a woman and finally feeling I have a place to belong. I often fantasize being postoperative and being able to go to the gym and finally being able to shower with other women after having a nice workout. I am really turned on by the idea of going into the women’s shower and being surrounded by femaleness and of just being able to legally belong in the women’s restroom. What I’m saying is that to truly fit in as another woman in these places means a great deal sexually to me.”

After reading about autogynephilia, I think that I have come a long way in understanding myself and my motivations and desires. Most of my early masturbatory fantasies involved being transformed into a woman and living as a woman. I don’t really care about the clothes. It is about being able to see myself as a woman or at least with feminine qualities. My most enjoyable moments are imagining experiencing the more tame parts of life as a woman (e.g., playing golf, going to the women’s room or locker room, being able to shop for feminine clothes and shoes, and being seen as a woman.) The few times I have been in a women’s locker room have been overwhelming. The smell is so inspiring and alluring and the idea of being able to go there and be accepted as a woman — I certainly can understand why people go completely through the surgery”

It is important to emphasize that the narratives that mentioned wanting to be with other women in a gym or locker room never carried overtly voyeuristic overtones. What was arousing to the informants was being accepted as a woman by other women, not the opportunity to view nude or scantily clothed female bodies. In fact, one informant explained that experiencing the absence of male-typical feelings was what made the locker room scenario arousing:

I am deeply aroused by the idea of being in a locker room with other women and having no male sexual feelings.

This is all sufficiently rape-y that I don't think the scenario of literally being assaulted in a bathroom even needs to be mentioned to argue against men who identify as women being allowed access to women's toilets. Being used as an unwilling tool in someone else's sexual fantasies by being forced to tolerate their presence in your personal space is sufficiently abhorrent that women should be allowed to maintain sex segregated spaces.

The pushback against TRAs demanding access to bathrooms has never been about the idea that all trans people using bathrooms would be literal rapists, that's just a strawman the TRA community wants to be able to burn down without responding to the real concerns about autogynephiles using their access to women's spaces to get off on making women validate their presence.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If the Equality Act passes in the US, ANY man will be able to self-identify as a woman and access every sex-segregated public accommodation. Locker rooms, hospital rooms, prison cells, nursing home rooms...

The Equality Act is headed to the US Senate, so Americans, get on the phone with your Senators now.

[–]panorama 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ANY man will be able to self-identify as a woman and access every sex-segregated public accommodation

Anytime, and for any length of time, just upon their word.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pure insanity. And the Dems will pay at the polls, because Americans don't put up with that kind of shit.

[–]whateverneverpine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is Susan Collins going to derail this though?

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Susan Collins withdrew her Equality Act sponsorship. I hope that means that the Senate Republicans are going to fight it, but I have no idea.