SNL just called out JKR for a 2nd time and more undercutting of white women - 3rd week in a row

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[–]lefterfield 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I could be wrong, but I've heard that white female performers who do racial porn get paid less, not more. The reason they hold off on it is because doing it tends to hurt their careers. Porn is exploitative, but I strongly doubt that the female performers are in a position to exploit the men they have sex with, regardless of race. Those decisions are being made by the producers or managers, who are high majority white men.

[–]loveSloane 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

You can literally watch interview upon interview of white female porn actresses discussing when they finally decide to “do a bbc”. I’m sure there are many who don’t have a choice- there are also very many who hold off on it and then make more money for doing it, I looked into this last year, they compare it to things like “finally doing anal”. It’s for the fetish, it’s because it’s considered taboo. Even this year when famous white people were pressured to make comments about blm, there’s a very famous white porn actress who addressed this. Whether it’s the white female performers making the choice, or the white men in charge- black men are still being exploited for their race (yes I realize those women are being exploited for being female regardless of who they have sex with. matter of fact, woc are treated worse, paid less, and told they are less desirable and marketable than white female performers). If you want to ignore that, there’s no point in this discussion. White women can suffer from patriarchy and still be privileged. They aren’t mutually exclusive situations.

[–]lefterfield 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Of course it's done for the fetish, and for the taboo. The question is "who is making these decisions," and "who is it marketed for?" It's not white women, I would suspect, most of the time. And I don't count being paid more for doing porn a privilege for white women. Getting a bigger bite of a shit sandwich is not a great deal. We can certainly talk about the fact that women of color are treated worse, within porn or elsewhere, but being paid more for your exploitation is still being exploited. The goal should be for no women to be exploited at all.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I didn’t say that them being paid more means they are less exploited. I’m saying that white women have privilege for being white. And it shows up, even when they are exploited for being females in porn. The point is- the white women are also making this decision. I know what I’m talking about, I know people who have worked in porn i understand a lot of what happens behind the scenes. it is a strategy to avoid sleeping with black men until the most opportune moment for their career. Sleeping with a black man is compared to fetish acts, and white women in this industry understand that and use that. They use it by not sleeping with black men, they use it by making it a big exciting deal when they finally do. I don’t know how you either ignore this or don’t get it.

The conversation is not “is porn exploitative”, we know it is.

The conversation is also not “are woc treated worse” hopefully we all know the truth of that answer.

You can say that getting a bigger bite of a shit sandwich is not a great deal. Sure it’s not, but it’s still a better deal. And unless you’re one of the women getting a smaller bite, you don’t really have any right to say how a woc may feel about a white woman in the exact same industry as her getting more money, better treatment, and having more freedom of choice than her. Yes they are both being exploited- but I don’t get how you can acknowledge that white women are getting treated significantly better and then dismiss that truth?

The conversation isn’t even about porn at all (though it was referenced in the midst of the actual discussion), it’s also not even about woc compared to white Women. It’s literally about black men being fetishized by white women. And you seem unwilling to even go there but have some need to prove some point that I still don’t get.

[–]lefterfield 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

No, I think this is BS. Your only example of white women fetishizing black men comes from porn, and what ACTRESSES say who are STILL IN THE INDUSTRY. IE, women who are paid to perform for other people being paid to say that they also enjoy it. As far as "how I ignore this" - I don't spend a lot of my time watching porn interviews, as you apparently do? Who gives a shit if white women are more valuable to exploit by men, WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE EXPLOITED BY MEN. THIS IS A FEMINIST FORUM I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

It’s not my only example lmao. It’s the example that someone literally brought up to me and I addressed. What are you even talking about? Also- I literally said I know people who worked in this industry. I work in entertainment. Should I shun the women I know who used to do porn and want to talk to me about it? Sounds pretty shitty. Yes, I did research what I’m talking about. Because i discussed this at length with people who experienced it first hand and I wanted to understand better. I guess I’m just one of those people who likes to actually know what the fuck I’m talking about before I start talking. Sorry if that’s frustrating for you.

Can you show me where I said that women should be exploited by men? It sounds to me like you can’t handle the conversation because you’re not prepared to have it. No woman should be exploited, I agree. Im saying that you don’t have the right to try to sit here and say that women who are being treated even worse than women who are already being treated poorly is irrelevant. I didn’t say white women should shut up and be happy because at least they get called pretty and paid more while they’re being exploited. I said you’re ignoring important truths that exist- whether they should or shouldn’t exist. Truths that woc think are worth addressing. You can ignore them if you want, that’s your privilege, after all, but it doesn’t mean that woc don’t think these conversations are relevant and worth having. THIS IS A FEMINIST FORUM. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SAY THAT WOC HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES THAN WHITE WOMEN OR THAT WHITE WOMEN SHOULDN’T BE DISMISSIVE OF THEIR EXPERIENCES. SEE? I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO SHOW I HAVE A POINT TO MAKE TOO.

[–]lefterfield 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Fuck off. You're not interested in discussing anything.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Lmfao “fuck off”? I’m clearly very willing to discuss.

[–]lefterfield 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Nope. You're not reading what I'm actually saying, you're reading what you want me to be saying. You're dishonest, abrasive, and obsessed with porn as if that's supposed to be relevant to anything.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

So because I listened to women who worked in that industry when I happened to be around them because of what I do for a living (which is not porn related btw) and then was able to consider what they said when someone else asked me about porn- I’m obsessed with porn? Even though I’ve never actually watched porn? And somehow, me discussing porn after someone else asked me about it and then you yourself jumped in the conversation that someone else started with me means I’m obsessed with something I’ve never watched?

As well as being dishonest for... what exactly was dishonest? Do you not believe what I said about how this subject affects the black community? Or do you not believe that someone who works in entertainment may meet porn actors by chance while working? I’m not sure where you got dishonesty from.

You can call me “abrasive” if you want, but imo telling someone to “fuck off” (twice) is pretty abrasive. I did read what you said. I found it to be dismissive and short sighted, as well as uninformed. IMO the person dismissing the experiences of other races and not actually addressing what the person they’re arguing with is saying is the dishonest troll. But whatever. Enjoy your ignorance and your privilege, ive heard it’s bliss, but I’ve never experienced it first hand, so I wouldn’t want to imply that I had any understanding of it. Bye.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Says the one who got "used" by a black man

[–]just_lesbian_things 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s literally about black men being fetishized by white women.

It happens in real life, but I doubt it happens as much as the other way around, simply because men tend to have more fetishes. I occasionally get fetishized by women too; I just imply no and she backs off. She's not going to rape me, she's not going to attack me, she isn't physically intimidating, and she doesn't exhibit the entitlement to my body a lot of men have. It never feels great to be reduced to a stereotype, but she doesn't have any power over me. Maybe it's different with heterosexual women.

I don’t get how you can acknowledge that white women are getting treated significantly better and then dismiss that truth?

Because they aren't. Interracial porn isn't really done for women, it's done for men. Most porn is done for men.

The porn industry doesn't suck in men the way it does women. Men who are in that position aren't typically there by accident- it takes a lot of effort on their part. The industry isn't really out there recruiting vulnerable young men the way it is vulnerable young women. Last I checked, women aren't going around en mass tricking/pressuring black (or any race of) teenage boys into doing porn through drug addiction or abusive relationships. I don't sympathize with men in the porn industry, regardless of race.

[–]loveSloane 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. Oh. My. god. I am not defending black men. I am not talking about any of this. I was literally pointing out- initially to the op- that black men do get fetishized by white women sometimes and it is something that should be called out because it stems from and reinforces racism. And it’s like y’all are just saying “it’s okay get over it and don’t mention it” because black men are men? So white women can be racist to black men because they’re men, but snl can’t make fun of racist white women because they’re female?

I understand that men are stronger and more violent than women. I understand the fear and caution this necessitates. My whole point is that when white women get called out for racial fetishes, it’s shouldn’t just be dismissed because white women are female. Racism is racism regardless of your sex and I’d hope that real feminists would get that. I acknowledged that the situation can be reversed- But that’s not what the original post or my comment was referencing-it was about not dismissing a real issue amongst another marginalized group (black people) and saying that to me, SNL did nothing wrong by the sketch highlighting it. Since it’s not a feminist issue- it could’ve been left alone. instead of just ignoring it, or just saying “oh well Whatever that’s not related to feminism”and moving on, they decided to go back and forth with me over a topic that apparently shouldn’t even be discussed here.

I agree, it never feels great to be reduced to a stereotype. Be a it a sexist or racist one.

/2. Except we weren’t talking about just interracial porn. We were talking about porn, period, at that point. And yes, it is evident that white women get treated differently than woc in that industry. Yes they are still being exploited, yes it’s still all bad- my point, which I elaborated on, is that for a woc who works in that industry (not me- to be clear, I’m saying in general) it’s not as simple as saying “oh we’re both being exploited” there’s more to it than that because there is an element of racism in the discrepancies that the white performer is exempt from or benefiting from. Everybody loves to talk about intersectionality until we get to the parts where white women benefit from being white despite also being female.

I am not saying that the porn industry isn’t disgusting or abusive for any woman involved in it- I only said that there is even within that exploitative environment, a difference in the way those women are treated, and that difference is race. maybe people don’t want to hear that, maybe you don’t feel it’s relevant, but given the fact that we were talking about race through out the thread, it was relevant to me. I at no point said anything in support or defense of black men or men at all, let alone men in porn, I was asked- literally specifically asked about white women doing porn with black men- so that’s what I answered. I didn’t say I felt sorry for the black men allowing themselves to be exploited. I don’t, because in that situation they themselves are contributing to exploiting females. I was asked about the racial aspect of it- I gave my opinion. So all of this about men pressuring girls into porn and addiction and abuse- has nothing to do with any of what I said and There is nothing in what I said that indicates that I’m not aware of the dangers and abuses of this industry. I don’t need an education on this and would have said similar things as you If this were actually what I was discussing. It wasn’t. I swear I feel like every time I’ve ever discussed or seen someone else try to discuss anything concerning black people or poc on gender critical-even if it’s about black/poc women, these blinders go up and nobody can comprehend what is being said. And I think I figured out why lol. This is why woc made the gc sub for woc.