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[–]CastleHoward 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Someone called me a TERF at work because I questioned counting Transwomen as women in our data that we submit to the government. Now it's a total shitshow and everyone is arguing and you are goddamn right I'm angry.

[–]fuckupaddams[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's so fucked up! The data is getting screwed, crime stats are getting screwed, women in the workplace stats are getting screwed because of this nonsense. I totally feel your anger. Who called you a TERF? Is there anyone at all on your side?

[–]CastleHoward 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Some 25 year old woman. She's about 10 levels down from me in seniority. She completely lost her shit when I was quickly going through our diversity stats at the beginning of a meeting. She was so upset it was insane. It was like watching a nervous breakdown but everyone was comforting her and telling me that I shouldn't be closed minded. I have no public supporters. I quit my job and took another job. But I have another month of this before I leave. I worked day and night for women and they have gone crazy.

[–]meranii 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Damn, I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I wish there had been more solidarity from other women for you, they probably were afraid to publicly support you because then HR would be coming for them next. All this did was to signal to TRAs at your company that it's possible to bully women out of senior positions (and soon those spots will be filled by transwomen).

[–]emptiedriver 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is it exactly. Women naturally have a greater tendency to fear, so when put in a position of either stepping up to back up the one under fire or just watching and waiting, a higher portion of women are going to quietly observe. And then that means no one steps up, and that makes everyone even more scared because they read from the fact that no one else agreed in public that No One Agrees.

So while in a group of men, one man at least might make the more foolhardy/brave move of speaking out before knowing the consequences, opening the streams a bit to a least the idea that there are two teams, that you are "picking a side" not just screaming into the void, a group of women might be more likely to wait to find out what people think, inadvertently affecting what people think by not speaking out in the first place. And then once it becomes established what you can say that will get you back-up, and what is unsupported, saying the right thing is a form of gaining security. Being "political" in college is being part of a certain crowd, and it means agreeing to a set of beliefs. You can't be political at that age and then not toe the line, that's not an activist, it gets a whole different label: so (young) women gain validation, comfort, belonging.

To be honest, when I was in college I remember working at NOW and reading some anti-abortion literature that had been sent to our offices and for the first time really listening to their arguments and realizing I had never really given them a chance. I had always been part of the liberal team, and always been pro-choice because duh, and I knew the arguments but I had not really understood them. I could recite them, but I did not fully get the ins and outs, because I didn't care - what I cared about was getting together and going to rallies and making smart-ass signs and winning our elections and telling those dumb anti-choice losers how wrong they were! But it wasn't really an honest thought process. It was social, egotistical, cultural, reactionary, a whole lot of stuff that doesn't belong in a real discussion about a real concern. That summer I did a lot of reading and thinking, and I ended up pro-choice but at a more "safe legal & rare" level, but what really changed was that I had respect for people who disagreed - more respect for anyone who took seriously the considerations, whatever their conclusions, than for those who were just cheerleaders for a party, whichever party it was.

But, so many of these arguments are set up like sporting events rather than nuanced conversations. Once people pick a side they do everything they can to avoid losing and paying attention to the reality of things becomes irrelevant. It's just about proving a point, or anyway getting someone to back down. And all that matters when you're young is being on the team with the cool kids...

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Getting their positions ingrained in liberal political parties platforms worldwide, under the shield of LGB and before anyone had thought the trans lobby position out, was the trans activist lobby's strategy, and it's worked.

When I bring up the TWAW issue with liberal friends, I'm at first met with shock, because I'm pretty with the liberal platform on other issues, so friends are like "How could you be transphobic?"

They have no idea what GC feminists are pushing back against, and have never bothered to think critically about transgender activist demands because the Democrats have already buried it deep in their platform and these friends of mine are Democrats so will just nod along to whatever the Democrats say is "right."

Eventually though, the sheer madness of transgender activist demands are going to turn almost everyone against the trans lobby. That's why they have made sure that Biden and the Senate will pass the Equality Act as soon they win.

Once the public knows what's up, they will reject it, so the trans lobby wants to make sure the public doesn't know what's up until it's too late.