Another TIF wins bathroom suit (it's always a TIF plowing the way isn't it)

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[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I saw this today and felt ill. I really hate that "it's hard enough being a high school student without...." line. Teenage boys have the right to use the toilet without a female being in there. Teenage girls have the right to use the toilet without a young Yaniv type being in there. It's hard enough being a high schooler without having sex-segregated areas compromised to feed a few people's delusions.

I get REALLY grossed out about trans surgeries, and surgeries in general. Can someone tell me if TIF have to pee standing up? I don't spend a lot of time thinking about male urination ok, but I THINK men can actually sit down, but if you don't have an actual penis, how do you use a urinal? Do they operate on TIF so that they can urinate on their feet like men? Well I guess women could too, but it sounds messy. From the photo I saw with the article (on a different news site, but maybe the same photo) she just looked like a girl with short hair. She would hardly stand out in the women's room.

[–]WrongToy[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

When we went up to stay with a friend he mentioned in front of us that we would both have to sit down to pee. SO is male (plus the friend of this male) so when we were home I asked about it.

Yes, it's possible. He did not want to go into the details about how it is but apparently the penis can be redirected from a sitting position to aim into the bowl. It is counterintuitive however.

Most TIF don't get to bottom surgery, and if they do usually ligaments around the clitoris are severed so that it appears larger, but you're not actually peeing through it. That's only possible by having a peniplasty and very few get those.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Are you speaking of actual males in the first two paragraphs? Cuz if you are, then your friend acting coy is pulling your leg, or yanking your chain, or otherwise being misleading.

It's very easy for males to pee when sitting on the toilet. No difficult maneuvers are needed to redirect the penis in such a situation since most of the time the penis is not erect; it's normally flaccid and just hanging/dangling between the legs. Which is why when guys stand to pee they have to hold their dicks with hands to prop 'em up and point the spray in the right direction.

A large number of men prefer to pee sitting down, and routinely do so when at home. In some countries, around half of married men customarily pee sitting down.

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a26322744/is-it-normal-for-men-to-pee-sitting-down/ https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bnpgp8/how-pissing-siting-down-become-a-thing-for-men-456

Little boys actually have to be taught to pee standing up. They do not automatically know how to do it, nor are they naturally good at directing the spray into the bowl. Which is why little floating targets are commonly used for them to aim at during toilet training. Even so, most males who have been toilet trained are not naturally gifted at it - which is why most toilets that males use tend to use get pee all over the seat and on the floor around the toilet bowl. https://mumcentral.com.au/how-to-teach-boys-to-pee-standing-up/

If you were speaking about TIFs who have had metoidioplasty or phalloplasty in which the female urethra has been successfully reconfigured, then I apologize for misunderstanding. Just goes to show why using pronouns meant to denote sex to refer instead to gender identity leads to a lot of confusion.

[–]WrongToy[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah I was speaking of actual males. The male who mentioned this in front of SO was raised clearly to stand up and so was SO. I grew up with sisters only and my ex never even brought this up as a poss so I had to ask SO if it was even possible. It is, apparently, but to him it'd be like asking me to stand up and pee. Which is again possible, but would mean a messier process, probably because I've been doing it one way (sitting down) for over a half century, same as them.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for answering my question. That is so interesting! I grew up with brothers, participated in toilet training of little boys as a big sister, baby sitter in my youth and as a mom/aunt/nursery school parent volunteer assistant in my adulthood, and I attended a uni that at the time was nearly all male - and this is the first time I've heard that some males have been taught NEVER to pee sitting down - and to think doing so is physically difficult or impossible.

So when these guys need to pee and poop at the same time, they carry out two entirely separate operations in two different positions - rather than accomplish both whilst sitting on the can? What do they do when there's an electrical blackout or other situation that requires them to pee in the dark? What happens when they get elderly and have very poor eyesight and balance, or have a disease like Parkinson's that causes tremors or MS that causes loss of muscle and control? Or when they're in hospital and confined to bed, but aren't so sick that they need a catheter? (Rhetorical questions, so I don't expect an answer, LOL.)

I feel sorry that these fellas don't realize they can pee sitting down - whether on a toilet or on another kind of seat. Fact is, in long-distance trips in cars, trucks, planes, tanks, troop transporters etc, it's always been customary for males to pee into vessels whilst remaining sitting down. When I had young sons, they and their male friends all did this whilst remaining sitting in the back seats of cars - that was often much easier than making a pit stop, especially for kids who couldn't hold it. All the pilots I know (including dad in WW2) always did this, and it was no big deal.

Companies that cater to the aviation industry, the military, long-distance race car drivers and people who car pool long have manufactured portable devices made expressly for this purpose - you can find 'em easily online including on Amazon. These sorts of devices are routinely used by male wheelchair users, and in nursing homes and hospitals as well.

Also, back in the day before indoor plumbing when "chamber pots" were used for "night water," there's no way that men would stand up to pee in them in the middle of the night darkness. Especially when it was cold. Instead, they'd bring the vessels close to their dicks so they could pee into them sitting or still lying down.

In many parts of the world, it's more customary for males to pee sitting down than standing, in part because it's been proven to be far more hygienic: https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-09-05/peeing-while-standing-how-medieval-you

Also, in the West, many urologists and men's health publications recommend that males over 50 - the age at which most begin to develop prostate issues - pee sitting down to help them fully empty their bladders. And because worsening aim goes hand in hand - or rather, penis in hand - with the reduced stream volume and velocity that occurs with age. For many elderly men, even those who have no problem standing or seeing, peeing standing up is impossible because their urine come out more in a weak spray or dribble than a strong steady torrent or gush.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So why do TIF want to use the urinals? Sounds impossible for them. Or they use the ahem, poop stall? (Not directing these questions at you, by the way, just wondering out loud.) Reminds me of that post (or cross post) on here a while ago about a TIF who went to a gay male sex party and didn't understand why the men were unhappy about a girl being there.

[–]chrysthefeminist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Teenage boys have the right to use the toilet without a female being in there. Teenage girls have the right to use the toilet without a young Yaniv type being in there.

Teenage girls have the right to use the toilet without any male being in there, not just a "young Yaniv type."