Calling all individuals with a cervix! New cervical cancer screening recommendations with extra extra inclusiveness

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[–]Jalaces 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I'm missing what's wrong with this? There's no dehumanizing euphemisms for women like menstruator or uterus-haver

[–]sisterinsomnia[S] 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A survey done in the UK a few years ago by a cervical cancer trust found that almost half of the women they surveyed didn't know what a cervix is. That is a huge problem when someone is giving out health information. And as MezozolcGay pointed out, the word 'women' is missing from the entire article. Yet something like 98% of all people with a cervix think of themselves as women.

[–]NecessaryScene1 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yet something like 98% of all people with a cervix think of themselves as women.

And the vast majority of the remaining 2% know that they're really women, so would only be "excluding" themselves if they chose to ignore health advice for women.

Statistically, it is utterly crucial to concentrate the messaging clearly towards women. Even cluttering it with a load of "and transmen and non-binaries and otherkin" etc could statistically do more harm than good overall, by distracting from the core, inclusive "all women" point.

People choosing to go down the path of biology denial and their organisations have to take responsibility of targetting specific information tailored to them and their delusions - it's not a good outcome to cause overall harm by making them the focus of general messaging.

How hard would it be to repeatedly make clear (as was historically the case) to them - "the medication you are taking does not actually change your sex - unless specifically advised otherwise all general medical advice for women continues to apply to you".

[–]sisterinsomnia[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am extremely angry that this development is sold as inclusiveness. My own gender identity is that I am a woman because I am female, i.e, because I have a female body, and that body affects my life as well as the way others treat me.

So when the inclusionists use terms such as 'menstruating people' my gender identity gets slapped on its face and invalidated. But this must not happen to those whose identities require that the body not be mentioned. There is a clear clash of rights and one size, the one with lots more people, is expected to lie down and identify as a silent door mat. Because of #nodebate.

[–]Sun_bear 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They've erased women. We're not 'individuals with a cervix', we're women.

[–]Jalaces 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I read that some TiMs after surgery have a cervix b's can get cancer too

[–]Sun_bear 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then you have read wrong. Cervixes cannot be artificially created, especially not in men. Also this article is erasing women because of TIFs who want to opt out of womenhood, not TIMs.

[–]yishengqingwa666 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. No man can ever have anything even close to a cervix, a vagina, a vulva, a clitoris or anything else that women have. Ever.

[–]starsstorm 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The cervix is the neck of the uterus. They don’t have a uterus. Ergo, they don’t have a cervix.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People who make this claim don't understand the difference between vaginas and cervixes. As others have pointed out, the cervix is the neck of the uterus. So far as I know, not even the most extreme trans ideologues are claiming that TIMs who get genital surgeries nowadays have uteri. What they get are very crude approximations of vaginas that can be used as fuck holes, but otherwise have none of the properties, capabilities, biochemistry or flora of actual vaginas.

If males who have genital surgeries to make fauxginas get cancer in them, it will be cancer of the tissue that their fauxginas are made of. Usually meaning penile or colon cancer. Now that peritoneal tissue and grafts taken from the back and thighs are also being used, as in the case of Jazz Jennings, then presumably some could get peritoneal cancer and various other skin cancers in their fauxginas too. And I'd imagine those few cases where Tilapia skin has been used would be vulnerable to whatever skin cancer those particular fish get.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok. I'm sadly laughing my ass off at this. I didn't know anything about tilapia skin, but this is certainly not going to help all of the disgusting jokes about vaginas and fish smells.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/transgender-woman-gets-new-vagina-made-from-fish-skin/

Fuck men and women-hating women with their disgusting misogynistic jokes. The feet, socks, shoes, armpits and ball sacs of average guys after about age 10-12 smell a zillion times worse than the average adult vagina, which doesn't have a rank odor at all.

All that "fishy" talk is projection. And when it's not, it's attraction and taste.

If a woman's vagina smells fishy or malodorous in any other way, it's a sign that something is seriously amiss and she needs medical treatment.

Over many decades, I've accompanied numerous other women on longterm wilderness and camping trips when showering/bathing isn't possible, and I've also travelled to a number of refugee camps where there are no showering or bathing facilities for females. No fish smells emanating from our/their vaginas. Although our/their armpits and breath often did/do stink, albeit not of fish.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I looked it up after I saw your post. It's a disgusting concept, but really pretty interesting.

It's tricho.. something, iirc. Or maybe that's the one with pork. There's also some sort of disease that can affect either sex that makes sweat have a fish-like odor.

I'm not buying into the nastyness of the jokes,of course. I'm more laughing that the joke is on them for actually having nuvaginas made out of fish after being shitty about the smell of a natural vagina.

[–]yousaythosethings 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Compare with what I just posted. We are obscuring fucking medical PSAs to women and girls only. Not to men and boys. If it’s a male issue, there is no hesitation to discuss men and the male sex, if it’s about reproduction again there is no ambiguity and we can talk about biological sex. If we’re talking about freaking dogs’ bodies, biological sex is again an actual thing. It’s ONLY when we’re communicating to girls and women about the parts of our bodies only we have and that men are not interested in does the media feel the need to obscure and avoid mentioning sex. As if education about female bodies isn’t piss poor virtually everywhere. The girls and women who need PSAs like these the most aren’t going to perk up and take notice when you address them by their body parts. Most people don’t even know what a cervix is or does.

[–]Agodachi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

THIS! It frustrates me when there is no ambiguity about sex in animals or even plants, but when it comes to humans suddenly that's up for grabs?

In chickens you have hen (females) and roosters (males), in sheep you have the ewe (females) and the ram (males), and in humans you have women/girls (females) and men/boys (males). It is not that complicated.

[–]yishengqingwa666 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are women. THAT'S why. The ONLY people who have a cervix are women.