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[–]greenish 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

After hanging out in trans spaces (which of course are allowed to exist unchallenged, unlike women's spaces) when I thought I was trans, my feelings changed. I used to fully support "trans women" but I witnessed and experienced more outright hostile misogyny from them than I have ever witnessed from any other group of males (apart from virtually, on certain subreddits of course), and I've been around some sexist pigs and spent time in military settings. It wasn't just one group either, it was several, and their behaviour is echoed online pretty much everywhere.

I used to be much more sympathetic towards gay TIMs than straight TIMs, and still am to an extent because a lot of them have dealt with a bunch of homophobia and pressure about how 'effeminate' they are.

HOWEVER, I witnessed just as much misogyny coming from them. They weren't a sexual threat towards women, but they could pose a physical threat because of the vicious, poisonous hatred, disgust, and jealousy towards women that many of them have, and feel they had the right to forcefully express.

From what I've experienced straight TIMs are more likely to be sleazy, boundary pushing, and violating towards women, but gay TIMs are more likely to actually get violent, believing it's 'competition' and 'cattiness'.

None of them are any sort of women. They may have differing motivations and issues, and there are 'nice' individuals, but both of them are just as selfish and dangerous towards women as a class.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This x 100! Thank you.