When the UK government announce that they are banning conversion therapy wouldn't they then need to shut down the tavistock since there is a strong argument that what is practiced there is conversion therapy?

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[–]raslyana 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

cognitive dissonance intensifies

[–]PassionateIntensity 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good question... The T hijacked LGB legislation in such a way it erases the protections for gay people because the recognized characteristics contradict, just like for sex class. It's a clever legal ruse, I'll give you that.

[–]Esseteee[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It all needs looking at and re doing

[–]Spikygrasspod 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It depends entirely on whether you think there's such a thing as an 'innate' gender identity. If there is such a thing, then Tavistock is helping children be themselves and preventing this would be forcing them to be 'cis'. If there isn't such thing, then Tavistock is medically altering distressed, homosexual and gender non conforming children.

[–]Esseteee[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There really needs to be some kind of big court case where they have to prove that there is such a thing as an innate gender identity. They really should not be modifying children's bodies without extremely robust evidence of this and they don't have evidence because it's nonsense and that needs to be out in the open once and for all

[–]Spikygrasspod 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gender identity is unfalsifiable by design, so, evidence is unlikely to be forthcoming. What you could get evidence of is mental health outcomes for youth who medically transition. That would be useful.

[–]Esseteee[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Surely they would need to prove it does exist rather than insist someone proves it doesn't

[–]Spikygrasspod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you mean the burden of proof should be on them... I agree completely. It will never happen, however, because if you defined the innate trans identity such that it were amenable to proof, some people who say they are trans would be proved not to have it and that would be 'gatekeeping'. So in order that the individual be the sole authority on the identity, the identity has to be something that cannot be proven or disproven.