I believe there's a divide between radfems and gender critics who aren't necessarily radfem

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[–]Moirawr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Sure. Say someone believes vegans are right about everything, they donate and do activism for it, but they also consume animal products regularly. Is that person a vegan? I think most people would say no. I also think some people would say that persons activism would make more impact than their personal choices and is still a good thing. Still wouldn’t say that person is a vegan though. No ones saying you have to be alone forever, it’s not about you, it’s about women as a class would be better off if we did not actively participate in perpetuating patriarchy via marriage, children, domestic labor, etc. so same as you cant be a vegan and eat meat, you can’t be a radical feminist and marry men, or be pro prostitution, or be anti abortion, etc. but that’s just my opinion on things, I think the vegan activist who is not personally vegan is better than zero awareness at all and that person doesn’t need to become pure or whatever, it’s difficult or sometimes impossible to perfectly follow any ideology to the letter.

[–]Pomegranate 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"I'm a radical feminist and just happen to be dating a man" is as stupid to you as "I'm a vegan I just happen to eat meat" I don't know what to say, haha, that's so funny. That's such a funny metaphor. I appreciate your response, I definitely have a wider understanding of your position even if I do disagree. I have no argument though, I understand how you could feel that way. I just don't feel like I have much of a choice. I guess it would be like really wanting to be a vegan but suffering from a terrible disorder where you had to eat meat or you'd die.

[–]Moirawr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem, it’s how I understand it at least, maybe someone else could explain better. I realize it’s not the best but that’s I think the quickest/simplest way I can could explain it. Like I said I have a bf so I have what I would call “radical feminist views” and I don’t feel limited or bad about that. All it means practically speaking is I wouldn’t try to say having a bf is in any way radfem, I can still contribute in all other discussions as long as I’m not claiming my bf is special or our relationship is different and totally feminist, “not my Nigel” as it’s called. Lol yes, if we take it further the vegan eating meat is what it would be like! Except you wouldn’t die but that’s the problem with analogies, they only go so far. It’s true relationships are extremely important to humans as social animals, ideally a heterosexual radical feminist would have close friends/family that would replace that need, but we are stumbling further into my personal interpretation and as another user said it’s an ongoing argument, so I don’t mind agreeing to disagree.