They are still trying to delete/silence us, right here on Saidit.

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[–]motionlessoracle 51 insightful - 3 fun51 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The second we moved to saidit, I wondered how good their DDoS protection was. I figured they'd be getting some crap thrown at them. Cloudflare has been pretty good at mitigating the attacks so far, though.

Now is the time to donate massively to saidit. Donate before it becomes difficult to do so. Thank them for giving us space. GC on Reddit was one of the subs that bought the most gold per user. Let's continue the tradition here.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I just checked out the Saidit Patreon page. It only has 21 patrons. Looks like magnora7's target goal is $350/mo and right now at Patreon he reached $206. He does accept cryptocurrency so maybe that supplements his goal. Still it's pretty bad there are only 21 patrons. Part of me wish there's a way to donate without also contributing to help racists sounding off. But then this place is also serving free speech and free association, a cause I deeply believe in, not to mention it's where this sub is right now. Definitely living in crazytown right now.

[–]motionlessoracle 36 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Part of me wish there's a way to donate without also contributing to help racists sounding off.

I'm not trying to attack you or make you mad, but I wonder if you've thought about the implications of a platform that bans people who say things you consider racist? How is that in any way different than a platform that bans people for saying things that men don't like?

Free speech really means anyone can say whatever they like as long as it isn't a crime. That is either valuable to you or it isn't. As soon as you allow somebody to decide which controversial ideas it is okay to have, you give one group power over others.

[–]Lilith_Fair[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No offense taken. However, I don't think that withholding donation is equivalent to me having power to disallow whose idea is ok or deny anyone power. Certainly donations from any source would help. But whether I'm a donor or not, I personally have no power one way or another to allow or disallow anyone on this platform. Moreover, no one is even required to ever make donation of any kind, even for causes or organizations they value. The fact that there are only 21 patrons to this site reflects that. Thousands of people are here right now, rent free. I don't think I should be singled out to be someone who must overcome something I'm not comfortable with to give financial support. How I or anyone decide to give donations should be entirely up to the person doing the giving. If it was a tax, a law, or an issue of business boycott, that'd be another matter IMO.

ETA: Notwithstanding what I said here, I'm glad to see your call for everyone to help contribute. Magnora7 appears to be a very reasonable person giving a lot to try to do something good. I think he can really use as much support a he can get.

[–]motionlessoracle 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad no offense was taken, because none was intended.

I'm not singling you out. I think everyone who is currently using this site needs to think very carefully about what free speech sometimes costs.

We've been spoiled for years by "free" internet services that were only free because we were what was being sold. Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Google, TikTok are all using you to make money. They are willing to violate your privacy quite extremely, doxx you behind the scenes, sell that data to the highest bidder, then ban you if you become inconvenient.

Saidit has no ads and doesn't sell user data, so the costs are out of pocket for magnora7. Donations are the only way this site will stay online if it needs to spend $$$ repelling DDoS attacks. It's understood that not everyone can or will donate. The point I am making is that we cannot think of saidit in the same way we think of other social media. We cannot treat this site like a free lunch.