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[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

I still don’t understand why GC was banned from reddit, I thought people did a good job with being respectful of the rules and trying to avoid using offensive language against trans individuals. From what I’ve read many people were accepting of trans people, just fed up with the whole “you’re transphobic because I said so!” rhetoric if someone disagreed with them. It’s even more ridiculous that they are looking for drama.They have nothing better to do like learn a skill or something?? We’ve finally found a place of our own to hang out at, and they’re trying to ruin this place too??

Edit: I want to mention that I’m somewhat new. I found GC at reddit a few weeks ago before it was banned after trying to find a place that also wasn’t buying the whole “if you don’t have sex with me you’re a TERF” logic. I’m glad I found this place, and FWIW I don’t believe most of those people pushing that rhetoric are truly trans. I’ve met a lot of trans people in real life and have never come across that ideology. The trans people I have met were so incredibly respectful and nice, that I doubt the non-passing pre opt trans people online are truly who they say they are. I bet they’re people trying to find a lesbian to manipulate and guilt fuck. I remember reading a comment by someone who said that these kinds of people aren’t actually trans but people who have Cluster B personality disorders/Autogynephilia(don’t know how it’s spelled), and in turn try to manipulate others into doing what they want.

[–]Susiesmum 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

"I doubt the non-passing pre opt trans people online are truly who they say they are."

Anyone who says that they are transgender IS transgender. There are no "real" transwomen. Those with personality disorders and fetishes are just as much transgender as the others.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

What I’m saying is when it comes to the internet you never really know if a person is who they say they ARE; here are links of course I’m sure there are more cases, but these were the top ones to pop up: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/lesterfeder/how-an-online-love-affair-ended-with-a-trans-man-convicted-o Here’s another one: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/554057/

What do you mean by:

Those with personality disorders and fetishes are just as much transgender as the others.

Here is a link: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCriticalGuys/comments/hhcs34/autogynephilic_male_here_big_rant_about_denial_of/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

about a man who admits to having Autogynephilia and posts his story on GenderCriticalGuys, acknowledges that people with this fetish are abusing woman by claiming to be trans when they are not, and states that he himself does not wish to be a woman but enjoys cross dressing for sexual pleasures. How is that transgender? Links? Screenshots? Where is this information coming from?

[–]Susiesmum 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

You seem to believe that "real" transwomen are harmless little angels who need to be protected. All it takes for someone to be recognised as transgender is that they say " I am a woman" or a man, or non-binary or whatever. Perversts like Stefonknee Wolscht and Jessica Yaniv, predators like Karen White, nutcases like Alex Drummond are all counted as transgender in the eyes of the law. You need to find out what you're defending before you start demanding we spoonfeed you.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Sure, fine, if you want to paint it that way then okay; yes, from my experience, and other people I have talked to, real trans women are harmless little angles who need to be protected as is the case with “cis” women, “cis” men, and any other person that exists. I’m not saying “all,” that’s generalizing which is where this next part comes into play - What’s Not okay is then ignoring the bad regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity that a person identifies with, which is why I appreciate that GC exists because it lets people see how women are being treated by these “trans individuals,” who, like I said, Do Not believe are really trans women but rather people pretending to be trans to have a “get-out-of-jail-free-card” to assault woman. Are you kidding me, anyone can be good or bad, trans women included. I also know about the Karen White case along with several other TiM’s who have assaulted other women in prisons and even a 12 year old girl in a girls bathroom and that is NOT Okay. Like I said before, I do not believe these people are real trans people but rather people trying to jump on the trans bandwagon to have an excuse to assault women and girls, which is NOT Okay.

An Example of why I believe that people are jumping on the trans bandwagon to use a minority card to get away with assaulting/harassing/stalking women: https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/58ai/saidit_peak_trans_i_please_continue_to_share_your/

A summary of one:

tl;dr: GNC man doesn’t like that I won’t date him, proceeds to insert himself into every aspect of my life including claiming to be a TIM to get assigned to my female-only dorm 6000 miles from home (It didn’t work). S never told anyone their preferred name or pronouns (now she/her) and did nothing to live “as a female” (whatever that means), yet would get incredibly angry when he was misgendered/misnamed. We were all somehow meant to magically know. After returning from Japan, S has gone back to identifying as GNC and using they/them pronouns.

THIS is NOT Okay. An example of someone CLAIMING to be trans when they are not. I’ve met plenty of trans people and I’ve noticed that the ones in real life, and actually TRY to PASS, are way friendlier, nicer and much better people than the ones who don’t try to pass, are normally online, and are always spewing the “you’re a transphobic because you won’t suck my dick/because I say so!” Have you ever noticed that the REAL trans women are even mocked and called truscum by the non passing trans people? Almost all of the posts on GC are about the NON-Passing trans people. I appreciate that this sub exists because we can expose this kind of shit-excuse-attempt of “fake trans” people trying to take advantage of “being a minority” to assault women, which is NOT okay.

[–]Susiesmum 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What you're saying here is really transphobic. It's not your place to decide whether or not someone's gender identity is genuine or not - being a pervert or a predator is no barrier to being transgender. The majority of transwomen are heterosexual males who have no intention of altering their bodies in order to "pass". Haven't you heard of the female penis?

The reason transgenderism is so destructive is that it prioritises the feelings in someone's head over material reality. Those abusive "fake trans" you're talking about are just as much transwomen as the fully transitioned post-op transsexuals that you're defending.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What you're saying here is really transphobic. It's not your place to decide whether or not someone's gender identity is genuine or not

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

being a pervert or a predator is no barrier to being transgender.

Where did I say that being a pervert or predator was a barrier to being transgender? Can you quote me?

The majority of transwomen are heterosexual males who have no intention of altering their bodies in order to "pass". Haven't you heard of the female penis?

Saying this isn’t transphobic? How do you know that the majority of trans women are heterosexual males. Any links?

The reason transgenderism is so destructive is that

I’m not so sure about transgenderism itself being destructive as I need to do more research before I comment on this.

it prioritises the feelings in someone's head over material reality.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean, if you could elaborate a little more that would help; so is a women who feels uncomfortable when a male watches her change destructive? The woman’s feeling is valid, and she should not have to endure this.

Those abusive "fake trans" you're talking about are just as much transwomen as the fully transitioned post-op transsexuals that you're defending.

No, as I said before, I was making a point that you never know who a person says they are on the internet. I could say I’m Barack Obama, and you couldn’t prove otherwise. Another example is you, how do I know that your Susie’s mom? You could be Bryan’s mom. You could be Sally’s mom. You could be a man for all I know. You could be a trans man or trans woman or a teenager and I would never know

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Stonewall's definition of who is trans, is "anybody who says they are".

Their tagline is "acceptance without exception".

I’m not so sure about transgenderism itself being destructive as I need to do more research before I comment on this.

it prioritises the feelings in someone's head over material reality.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean, if you could elaborate a little more that would help

According to transwomen, the definition of "woman" is just whatever a man thinks it is, and as far as he's concerned, it is his opinion and his alone which matters. According to him, women do not have the right to define ourselves. It doesn't matter if we refer to logic, common sense, or mention biology or hey, actual reality when defining the concept of "woman AKA adult human female". Au contraire, the term "woman" is defined according to the oh so more important sexist sterotypes which exist in a man's head, cos he's in charge of us.

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

You don't seem to realize how you're coming across. Very very mansplainy and expert authority on a subject you clearly know nothing about. Think about how you'd reaction to someone like that. Always remember, women aren't your personal secretary, google is your friend. The mumsnet link is particularly good for newbs.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=stonewall+definition+who+is+transgender&ia=web

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stonewall's definition of who is trans, is "anybody who says they are".

Okay

Their tagline is "acceptance without exception".

Great

I’m not so sure about transgenderism itself being destructive as I need to do more research before I comment on this.

it prioritises the feelings in someone's head over material reality.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean, if you could elaborate a little more that would help

According to transwomen, the definition of "woman" is just whatever a man thinks it is, and as far as he's concerned, it is his opinion and his alone which matters.

What trans woman said this?

According to him, women do not have the right to define ourselves. It doesn't matter if we refer to logic, common sense, or mention biology or hey, actual reality when defining the concept of "woman AKA adult human female". Au contraire, the term "woman" is defined according to the oh so more important sexist sterotypes which exist in a man's head, cos he's in charge of us.

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

You don't seem to realize how you're coming across. Very very mansplainy and expert authority on a subject you clearly know nothing about.

So, I mentioned a couple of times that I recently found GC and that I am pretty new to the whole thing which is why I have been asking for references and links.

What was it exactly that I said that made me sound “mansplainy” or like I was an “expert”?

I did not claim to know more than anyone else, but rather asked for links /references so I could Know more.

Think about how you'd reaction to someone like that. Always remember, women aren't your personal secretary, google is your friend. The mumsnet link is particularly good for newbs. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=stonewall+definition+who+is+transgender&ia=web https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Where did I say that women were my personal secretary? For asking for links and references so I could learn more? Again, I never said I was an “expert.” I said I was new to the community. I’m surprised that people would even be bothered or irritated to share information/correct others. You would think people would be more than happy to share information and try to help newcomers, at least that’s what I’ve noticed from people who actually know what they are talking about. People who can’t answer questions tend to try and antagonize others due to their own lack of knowledge and embarrassment, kind of like what politicians do - ad hominem attacks.

[–]Susiesmum 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To be honest, I'm starting to think you're a troll. You don't seem to be aware of anything that is actually happening. Go and do some research and stop demanding people spoonfeed you information.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest, I'm starting to think you're a troll. You don't seem to be aware of anything that is actually happening.

Right, so I’ve mentioned in my other posts that I recently found GC and that I Am new to the community.

I’m surprised that people would even be bothered or irritated to share information/correct others. You would think people would be more than happy to share information and try to help newcomers, at least that’s what I’ve noticed from people who actually know what they are talking about. People who can’t answer questions tend to try and antagonize others due to their own lack of knowledge and embarrassment, kind of like what politicians do - ad hominem attacks.

Go and do some research

Is me asking for links/references not a start in trying to do research?

and stop demanding people spoonfeed you information.

How is asking for links/references demanding to be spoonfed?

[–]Thatstealthygal 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's pretty transphobic to say a self-described trans person isn't really trans just because they don't fit the victim mould.

If we must believe transwomen, then yes we must accept Jessica Yaniv and Karen White.

Or if these people don't count then resume gatekeeping, because women and girls are victims of these people abusing.self-ID.

You can't have both unless you're willing to throw females under the bus.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's pretty transphobic to say a self-described trans person isn't really trans

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

just because they don't fit the victim mould

Where did I say this? Can you quote my text?

If we must believe transwomen, then yes we must accept Jessica Yaniv and Karen White.

Where did I say I did not believe trans women, can you add a quote from me?

Or if these people don't count then resume gatekeeping, because women and girls are victims of these people abusing.self-ID.

I have no idea what you are going on about with the whole self-id talk.

You can't have both unless you're willing to throw females under the bus.

Again, I have no idea why you’re bringing this up. If you can quote me, then elaborate, that would actually help

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I, Myself, even brought up the fact that there are trans people who have raped other women in women only spaces during an LGBT counseling group I was in during college. However, I was hushed off by the majority with people denying this is the case - to my surprise of course because you can find rape cases just by googling. Needless to say I decided to quit going to the group because I disagreed with them, as there are cases of trans women raping women in women on spaces, HOWEVER, I Do Not Believe these women are really trans women and only using trans women as a guise to assault other women. From my experience, the trans women that ACTUALLY try to pass are the ones that would never even try to do such a thing/ are much more respectful.

[–]WinoRhino 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is transphobic. If you believe in self-ID then you cannot say, "anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman....oh, except for this one person here...." If they say they are trans, they ARE trans, even if they did something terrible. That is what you get with self-ID. Pick a lane.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This is transphobic.

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

If you believe in self-ID then you cannot say, "anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman....oh, except for this one person here...."

Can you quote me? Where did I say I did/didn’t believe in self-id?

If they say they are trans, they ARE trans, even if they did something terrible.

I have NO idea what you are going on about. Can you quote me?

That is what you get with self-ID. Pick a lane.

Again, can you quote me because I have no idea what you’re talking about otherwise.

[–]WinoRhino 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

And I quote

HOWEVER, I Do Not Believe these women are really trans women and only using trans women as a guise to assault other women

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Right. So what are you trying to prove by showing me this because there was more to what you said.

This is transphobic.

It’s pretty ignorant to accuse someone of being “transphobic” and not add links/quotes to what was considered transphobic and not add links/references to definitions of some sort to show that what the person said was transphobic.

If you believe in self-ID then you cannot say, "anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman....oh, except for this one person here...."

Can you quote me? Where did I say I did/didn’t believe in self-id?

If they say they are trans, they ARE trans, even if they did something terrible.

I have NO idea what you are going on about. Can you quote me?

That is what you get with self-ID. Pick a lane.

Again, can you quote me because I have no idea what you’re talking about otherwise.

Which part are you trying to explain?

[–]StupidHappyPancakes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What they are trying to explain to you is that trans advocacy has gone so far that we don't really have the OPTION of supporting SOME trans people. The ultimate goal being pushed now is for self-ID, which means that even just some ordinary dude who makes ZERO effort to transition or look "female" is supposed to be just as "valid" as the old school transsexuals who were largely effeminate gay men who just wanted to blend in. The people who replied to you were saying that your comment was transphobic because according to current trans ideology, ANY gatekeeping at all is considered transphobic. They were trying to explain to you that there's not currently any way for us to support the group that's "nice" without also allowing those with fetishes and personality disorders the same support.

[–]IamWomanHearMeRoar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OKAY