Is Castor Semenya a gender nonconforming woman or a gender conforming man?

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[–]peregrine_throw 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Semenya is an intersex male with 5-ARD. As such, has feminized male external genitals, and testes. A wrong diagnosis during childhood cannot re-write biological facts, and as such shouldn't compete as a female, regardless how he sees himself or how his neighbors treat him.

Former women's ski champ Erik Schinegger was eventually diagnosed to be male, he quit the sport, lived as a man and even became a father. Semenya should do the same if he is a true sportsman and not greedy.

[–]hellamomzilla 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

THIS.

And, Semenya and coaches and everyone pretty much knew -- but they played the whole, "Oh, we're naive Africans and nobody new "she" was really male." Everyone knew -- Semenya presented as male in his home nation and with everyone he knew well. It was all a way to promote himself and it's an open secret that men like him WERE the top performers in the female category in middle-distances. After the ruling against Semenya, they all seemed to conveniently disappear.

[–]peregrine_throw 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I like most about Schinegger's case was that he retired from the sport AND gave the medal to the runner-up Goitschel, admitting she was the real winner. THAT is how you should do it, if you had honor and respect for the sport.

[–]tuesday 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Semenya is from an area in Africa where his specific type of disorder of sexual development is more common than average. All the families are very aware of the possibility, and for awhile, some international coaches would scout the area looking the next Semenya. Due to recent sunlight however, that practice is waning.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How did Schinegger have a child? Did they find a way to extract the sperm from internal testes?

[–]Bitchcraft 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I remember seeing a documentary that featured him. He didn't want to be too explicit, but he alluded to having some kind of surgery that repositioned his internal genitals. He also was very insistent that he had his child "naturally", so I assume after that procedure he is in every sense physiologically male.

In that documentary, he seemed quite based, btw. After his sports career ended, he became a successful businessman, I believe he runs a skiing academy.

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Erik S also gave the medals he won in women's skiing in the '60s to the female skiers who should've won.

[–]peregrine_throw 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lol never thought I'd contemplate Schinegger's testicles this much... not saying this is how it happened for him, but, apparently, yes, sperm can be harvested depending on the location of the testes.