Ovarit is just as guilty of random censorship as reddit. What happened?

peregrine_throw · 2021-02-01T05:10:14+00:00

I frankly don't care to make you "feel bad", I only care to point out that the basis of your opinion is nonsensical ("i am not rf but I will go to an rf board, then complain they're being rf!!1!") in case others, especially younger girls who want to explore women-centered feminism boards, come across your comment and skip looking into Ovarit.

You be careful, though, this very saidit sub is also accused of being a transphobic gc echo chamber by genderists. Lol

peregrine_throw · 2021-02-01T00:41:39+00:00

The space being women-centered and women-prioritizing, u/Greykittymomma. It would do you good to read up on the site before, you know, complaining about it.

I'm not arguing for you to go/stay on Ovarit. Who gives a shit. I'm pointing out your complaints are nonsensical, to put it mildly, and on you for not understanding what you wanted to access/complain about lol

Those women, especially the founder, are putting a lot into it building an alternative that no woman-hating entity (corp or person) can delete at whim-- be it financial, energy, time, doxxing risk, etc. the least women like you can do is say "ok but not for me since I'm not rf" and move on, instead of bitching about their efforts for nonsensical reasons. Enough men and tras already want to tear them down.

You like reddit and saidit better? No problem! Oh wait, yeah, reddit deleted the entire gc network... And cross your fingers and toes saidit won't down the road... Head on to twox for your "everyone" needs then and try to ignore the testosterone.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-31T04:39:07+00:00

Ovarit isn't a women-only place. And it's not for any and all GC women (conservative women, female TRAs and libfems can be shades of gc too). It's not an anti-trans central, it's a rf site primarily. You got so many things wrong and here you are complaining lolll you won't be "silenced" if you're not being inappropriate.

As for the idiot comment, hey, didn't come from me, but well, quacking ducks and all...

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-31T02:51:52+00:00

So you easily got a code and yet.. "Too many hurdles"... Ok.

You go to a specific forum and not expect a specific POV? Then criticize said site for having their specific POV? It's not them that's problematic, but you. If it's not your cup of tea, it's fine, but don't make it out like they're being unreasonable and irrational in how they do things-especially after you say you agree with the quote about the effort needed to make and maintain a space as your own.

Visit me? Like I mentioned to a different comment, I'm not even on it yet. I will after I tire of twitter. I very much appreciate the creation of Ovarit, I appreciate that team's bts work, that's why I put effort to reply to this post.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-31T01:35:50+00:00

It's not a "secret code". It's an invite code to minimize flooding in of TRAs, MRAs and libfems intending to cause chaos while ovarit's in its beta phase. Anyone can generate it, though the community relies each inviter does some degree of vetting of the invitee.

Funny how your disdain for it (calling it an echo chamber) and naive desire for it to be a space for everyone is already addressed by ovarit. It's written on each and every page of their site, if you cared to read it "All space becomes male space unless females maintain a concerted effort to mark a space for themselves. -Sheila Jeffreys"

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-30T18:50:57+00:00

It's not censorship. It's applicatin of rules. Of course one needs to put in the effort to read the rules and about pages if they want to participate in any forum. And ovarit isn't a free-for-all forum; it advocates a specific type of feminism.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-30T18:42:55+00:00

I didn't mean to say you desire to antagonize the mods. It's cool, I understand how it can bum you out, but give them the benefit of the doubt that they're not simply power-tripping and that it's for "wrongthink". There's purpose to why they do what they try to do. Leave the community as an "all-think" you end up with something unfortunate like reddit's r/feminism or twox. I mentioned the voluntary work more to point out they can't do a thorough analysis for each reported complaint, then imagine a long queue on their modmail. Evals need to be as quick as possible. Don't take it personally, don't let a few hiccups turn you off from interacting with other radfems. Mods are just trying to keep it as focused as possible in a way they're capable of. Cheers.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-30T15:11:33+00:00

No doubt medical information would be welcomed, but within an appropriate context or sub like health/medical or something (not familiar what subs they have currently). There's a difference between appearing as a "weapon" against being pro-choice, and bringing it up as an aspect of healthcare concern for women. In the ex r/gc, we had posts like that and along the lines of why men should bear equal respnsibilty on the matter, no problem.

Give them some latitude, especially as mods are putting in time and effort managing the space for free.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-30T12:28:08+00:00

You most likely were answering an obviously rhetorical question and came across as justifying an anti-choice stance with a list of reasons a pro-choicer would already know (which is why they're pro-choice to begin with). Like ex-r/gc, ovarit has it written in their rules: "against this rule to promote misogynist policies or practices which are harmful to women. This includes the promotion of prostitution, pornography, paid surrogacy, BDSM, and restricting reproductive rights."

Both boards are to discuss rf topics, or discuss topics from an rf pov, NOT debate with ideologies (as surely your post is not the first nor last) it is against. Same reason why r/gc had a separate r/gcdebatesqt. To keep it focused, not be filled with threads/discussion constantly having to defend itself from bait debates/attacks ad nauseum, which is also a common trolling strategy malicious non-rf posters would use (not referring to you) to derail communities. Like how genderists infiltrate women's groups to derail its original focus and shift it to trans-pandering, which eventually dissolves the group. Surely you are aware how TRAs and MRAs are already violently salivating over strategies on how to eliminate the very young ovarit.

It's member/forum management, nothing malicious, which is what made r/gc better than most "feminist" subs. A good thing, imo.

Edit: When I tire of my new twitter account, I'll head over to ovarit.

peregrine_throw · 2021-01-30T05:33:05+00:00

Not on saidit much and not yet on ovarit myself. I took a look and, though I don't speak for the mods, I can guess as to why.

You were derailing the point of the meme/possible discussion. It is a fact gc/rf woc have been absurdly accused, repeatedly, their stance is "white feminism" in an effort to dismiss their specific, and the entire gc/rf advocacy's, grievances. And yes, it is almost always a white TRA doing this and it's a deliberate racist demonization and discrediting bs strategy. Then you come in to needle a version of "HDU talk about male violence on women! women also rape!"

If you were there in good faith, you should have contacted the mods after your comment was deleted to ask why, instead of doubling down with a new sarcastic post, which only made you look more trollish. At ovarit's still early stage, they are rightfully protective not to be infiltrated by TRAs and trolls.

peregrine_throw · 2020-09-10T11:48:33+00:00

u/MarkTwainiac suffering no fools in this post. Rock it!

Btw, where'd you get this?:

South African medical professionals gave Semenya a full workup in August 2009, before SA sports authorities introduced Semenya to the world as SA's new "golden girl" runner at the 2009 World Juniors the next month. Based on the results of all the testing done on Semenya in August 2009, leading SA medical doctors - including Nelson Mandela's personal physician - told SA sports authorities that Semenya is not eligible to compete in female sports coz Semenya is not female.

Can't seem to find any docs source relating to the 2009 full work-up male (non)recommendation as offically released, and the Mandela tidbit...

And yes, to assume SA had/has none but subpar, bumbling incompetents for doctors serving their elite athletes is smh. They had to know.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-10T13:16:47+00:00

Like u/macaron, the frequency you mention is shocking.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-10T13:11:36+00:00

Lmaooo

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-09T13:09:21+00:00

Long term cross-sex hormone therapy causes brain shrinkage in males. Definitely increases memory problems, mood disorders and dementia risks.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-09T10:40:55+00:00

Why not both...

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-08T23:51:09+00:00

Read this.

TL;DR for the lazy: "Ultimately it's all about the gametes. If you produce sperm you are male. If you produce ova you are female. No human was ever born without the haploid contribution of both male & female gametes."

Ignore the intersex card. DSD occurs at a negligible percentage because it is an outlier development, it is not a natural variety or "spectrum". And intersex people are either male and female. To say they aren't is an insult to their condition. Trans ideology even confirms two sexes when they are bisexual, non-binary, "MTF" "FTM"-- reference to two sexes.

As for WHY they say it, institutional capture (especially in academia) is prevalent. And people who depend on pushing this ideology as their job will not speak the truth, from LGBT orgs down to a paid medical consultant.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-08T23:41:53+00:00

Well, you have men transplaining and scolding an FGM victim about FGM, and men in dresses assaulting women in shelters. How much more contempt for vulnerable women does one need to witness...

"Vulnerable" is only valid if it benefits men. Women don't count unless they act as stepstools for men and men who think they're women. That's their only use in the world. To disagree makes you a bigoted stepstool. To agree is to be allowed to exist, for the meantime, to serve your designated function.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-08T23:36:37+00:00

Jeez, how much of a loser are these guys to be to be stalking all the internetz of wrongthunk. Well, anything to peak people is always a good thing, silver lining.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-08T14:58:19+00:00

Are you intentionally being obtuse? You really think my reply was saying "let them be racist because racism is totes okay"? Lol Yawn. Good luck with life.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T15:04:51+00:00

Lollllll

fritz recovering from his whiplash -

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T09:17:05+00:00

Mmm... Margaret Atwood is 80 years old... I won't be surprised if she finds it hard to wrap her brain around this idiocy (it's already a struggle for us who are relatively younger as the ideology doesn't make sense to begin with) and is trying EXTRA HARD, maybe even with a TransSvengali nearby "educating" her (woke grandchildren, assistant or something).

Goodness, r/gc had a long-retired doctor (or psychiatrist? brain not functioning...) pop in to ask if schools are teaching sex isn't binary as newer curriculum, bewildered by what she was reading from TRAs lol what more for a layperson.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T02:28:47+00:00

You can be pro-life under pro-choice. Pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean pro-abortion and gives women autonomy over their own bodies according to their own beliefs.

If by pro-life you mean anti-choice, then best you don't participate in those relevant topics out of respect for the sub which is radfem first and foremost.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T00:42:24+00:00

Can't wait until our new website's up! Woo!!

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T00:35:05+00:00

Isn't it Bindel, the Lesbian Supreme of the International Cult of Powerful Lesbians^TM and madam of mail-order brides? lolll

And other UK ladies for now, in general (I say in half-jest). Lots of eyes on Allison Bailley, JK Rowling and Maya Forstater. And LGB Alliance.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-07T00:24:15+00:00

Wrt r/GC, most likely as a troll precaution, not saying OP is one necessarily. RF has been constantly framed as white feminism to discredit it, despite so many women of all colors within it. If accusing it as white feminism outright doesn't stick, calling it racist is another way to skin it.

but the constant buddying up with the alt-right makes it extremely difficult for me to do so.

OP u/meerkat, on one hand, if you demand purity and cut off anyone who agrees with you on two stances but disagree on two other, you will be sadly disappointed that the resulting movement population would be tiny tiny and will not be able to enact changes that require the participation of these "impure" ones. Even within one's own family unit, most would find it hard to find total compatibility.

On the other hand, to agree with "impure" ones on two issues doesn't mean you agree with them on all of theirs. Pretty sure you agree on climate change and pedophilia with these same people you demand RF not show agreement with, including religious and skinheads. Personally, I would have no issues standing next to them in demonstrations against, say, removing safeguarding laws for minors, or total excavation of an area that would definitely pollute a province's entire water supply. Of course care to make optics clear that you're not under them must be taken.

Spinster mods ignoring blatant racist comments (=/= view that goes counter to the black POV) is a whole separate thing, though. Never been on there.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-06T00:48:33+00:00

Wrt sourcing funds, I don't see the issue getting it via donations, as long as he's clear what it's for.

Wrt donors who claim to be GC, though it was initially a side-eye moment for me (as much as a gofundme for a woman wanting DD breasts would be), if it helps alleviate his GD, then whatevs, go for it and hope it ends well.

As long as he's hands off women's rights, it's none of my business.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T23:58:07+00:00

To feminize, I assume? It's stupid, and extra stupid to want to do it now of all pandemic times, but it's his face, he's an adult. It could be worse, some people want horn implants.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T23:48:48+00:00

Don't feel too bad about it. For the several who unfollowed, a lot others stayed and heard what you said, their silence may or may not necessarily mean indifference; and others more (strangers) might also see it. Overall, will help bolster other women's courage to speak about it as well.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T23:36:37+00:00

Oh, he's reverse trolling? Didn't bother to read the tweet. In which case-- lol doing well, Boy George.

But for the real TRAs who say the same above in earnest and with vitriol, I wonder how effective that reply would be... they can only reply in the variance of "yes, women don't deserve her sex-based rights" which would peak people, or "no, that's not what we're doing" which is easily refutable with "so why do you want to erase the sex-based definition of woman/female from the law and change it to 'anyone who feels female'?"

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T00:44:15+00:00

Boom.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T00:28:25+00:00

I wonder how effective it would be to reply (to him and similar questions) with an equally low effort "Why do you hate girls and women so much you want to take away her sex-based rights?"

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T00:26:50+00:00

You can sense the frustration over the absurdity by the lower half of the poem when it has turned into paragraphs lmao

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T00:20:10+00:00

TIMs : "Vagina = hole for penis. "

(TIM castrates own penis to make a hole for penis)

TIMs: "I have a hole for a penis. Yay, I have vagina."

The fact they want to call vaginas 'front holes' already indicates how ignorant they are about it. lol

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-05T00:15:38+00:00

Yes, current trans ideology is homophobic. Sexual orientation is de-legitimized when the concept of sex is erased; the definition of gay/lesbian is free-for-all as long as they feel like one.

Trans ideology/self-id has more in common with the equally homophobic religious/conservatives, proving their prescription that a lesbian just needs to find the right dick to set herself straight (one attached to a "woman", apparently), and a gay man just needs the right male vagina.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-04T04:14:09+00:00

Yes, and it's a known problem up to 99% of rapes and sexual assaults are committed by men... but somehow this fact must be ignored because it "hurts the feelings of men who think they're women"? So female victims are expendable again to please men... because it's girls' and women's job to do so? A 14 year old MUST UNDRESS in front of a "LESBIAN TIM", say in a pool facility, to make sure he feels "included" and she must hope for the best this isn't a pervert?

And the point is, giving a number. Up to how many times must her house be invaded before home security is reasonable or is she just being hateful against poor people to assume they all want to rob her?

If she still insists, tell her to look 'The Narcissist's Prayer' up-- she's already on line 3. Soon she'll be blaming terfs for begging for the violence because they dared to say they feel unsafe.

>A Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did..
You deserved it.

A simple look at crime sites like transcrimeuk.com shows the almost-absence of TIFs and the overwhelming perps who are TIMs. Follows male pattern of violence.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-04T01:27:16+00:00

"Trans women are men" is not "anti-trans discourse". It is scientific fact AND there are trans people who agree on that. Anything short of TWAW is anti-trans in reddit's eyes... so how do you expect women to discuss women concerns if we can't exclusively use 'women'... the solution isn't to censor one's posts to be able to stay, but to create an entire system that allows us to speak freely.

Don't give reddit reasons to continue silencing women.

We know you mean well, but this end-goal is no different from what has already happened on reddit.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-04T01:18:44+00:00

The links here are great!

OP, re-frame the question-- ask her seriously how many female victims she wants until she declares it "A Problem". How many girls and women victims would she find acceptable as long as feelings of dysphoric men are accommodated, ask for a number.

Then ask her why she locks her house. How many times has her home been invaded in the past? Once? Never? Oh-- so she just wants to safeguard her house then?

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-04T01:09:27+00:00

What I like most about Schinegger's case was that he retired from the sport AND gave the medal to the runner-up Goitschel, admitting she was the real winner. THAT is how you should do it, if you had honor and respect for the sport.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-04T01:07:16+00:00

lol never thought I'd contemplate Schinegger's testicles this much... not saying this is how it happened for him, but, apparently, yes, sperm can be harvested depending on the location of the testes.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-03T16:22:11+00:00

It's not a woman thing but a trans thing. A wrong look, not inviting them to lunch etc, "hostile" and "transphobia" are set very low.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-03T16:20:48+00:00

Keep it brief and professional. If she asks, just say you don't like discussing id politics at work. Current HR climate is neither objective nor reasonable (either run by TRAs or covering their own ass), avoid gendertalk. You don't need to be friends, be respectful workmates.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-03T15:42:09+00:00

Semenya is an intersex male with 5-ARD. As such, has feminized male external genitals, and testes. A wrong diagnosis during childhood cannot re-write biological facts, and as such shouldn't compete as a female, regardless how he sees himself or how his neighbors treat him.

Former women's ski champ Erik Schinegger was eventually diagnosed to be male, he quit the sport, lived as a man and even became a father. Semenya should do the same if he is a true sportsman and not greedy.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-02T23:35:14+00:00

JFC goodbye, grammar. I had to restart reading your post 3x to understand if this was about one person or one person who then ganged up with your other friends against you.

They have male privilege. No woman would be able to get away with shit TIMs pull. From as superficial as ridiculous clothing, to their violence, to the quick cooperative institutional capture... reeks of male entitlement and privilege. ffs, girls and women can't even successfully win tampon tax removal, yet men have been able to legally dictate humans can change sexes.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-02T01:15:21+00:00

I go along with their gender/sex framing, with gender (man, woman) referring to personal identification, and sex (male, female) referring to biology. I find it easier to make the case that while someone may, for example, "identify" as a woman, they remain biologically male,

I personally use 'dysphoric man/male', 'trans-identified man/male', or 'man with GD', and at worst, 'trans woman' if it means moving a conversation forward but always qualifying it mean man with GD. Never 'woman', because it already frames you as the bigot for othering a kind of woman (which he's not), and capitulating that he is factually a woman and, consequently, a female (which he's not) which is definitely the end objective, to the detriment of women's rights.

The point is 'woman' has always meant the biological sex class, under the realm of science and law. For example, women were deprived of rights not because of her inner gender identity, but because of her biological identity as a woman. Science has always referred to humans with the female anatomy, including leaving this entire sex class behind in terms of research. It is absurd to suddenly re-classify the label like a social occupation you can id in and out of... especially while females are STILL CURRENTLY experiencing oppression based on her body.

Linguistically, it is stupid that we have doe/deer, goose/gander, cow/bull-- but suddenly man/woman must be relabelled as 'adult human with testes'/'adult female with eggs'. Like how do you re-label 'women's health research' when in this case, women means anyone with a uterus, anyone with a uterus and identifies as male, AND anyone with a penis-- so 'people's health research'?

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-02T00:35:36+00:00

I think this is pushed by trans lobbyists-- be it via advertising or outright trans political/influence consolidation, of course with the eager compliance of TIMs and TRAs inside reddit. There is no way to explain banning several newly created GC sub without even a single post in and even those not about the US (like GCScanidnavia) as being points towards Trump. If a US political angle MUST be gleaned, it would be to give the impression of liberals as having a monolithic stance on trans/idpol. You cannot say it is a solid liberal/dem stance to push for trans interests while mounting evidence to the contrary exists-- hence, all social media and content hosts are shutting down those dissenting voices from within, to silence and prevent its growth.

That said, it speaks a lot about reddit to have tons of rape and raprey subs survive a supposed clean up.

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-02T00:03:24+00:00

they have typical brains for their sex

"Neuroplasticity explains our imagined periods!" -TIMs

peregrine_throw · 2020-07-01T23:59:12+00:00

Yeah, so relieved I have a draft saved. A lot of it are from other r/gc members.

I haven't looked into it studies-wise. However, being that it is reflected in many animal species, it is basis that it is a natural variant of sexuality. Could be as definite differing (brain) anatomical structure, or as nebulous as psychological preference (as one has personal preference for food/music/etc), or maybe both (when hit by a partner's pheromones, specific sensors trigger positive psych association).

peregrine_throw · 2020-06-30T23:19:44+00:00

No prob. Wish I was able to save other posts that had great references. Pretty sure that's one reason TRAs want it shut down-- we were heavy on references, including suicide myth, high prison representation, sports, and receipts to hold people accountable.

peregrine_throw · 2020-06-30T23:17:49+00:00

Science has never denied there are key differences between sexes, it is after all driving dimorphic bodies. That is different from a "female brain" in a male body.

peregrine_throw · 2020-06-30T06:21:16+00:00

Wow. How desperate can you get to delete a sub collating news...

peregrine_throw · 2020-06-30T06:11:12+00:00

We had someone do a backup before, remember? (if a backup helps?) but I can't recall who as my comment history on r/gc's been erased as well.

We await the announcement on @rGC!

peregrine_throw · 2020-06-30T06:08:07+00:00

WRONGTOY :D

Hello, ladies. May we find our new home soon, this or another.

peregrine_throw