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[–]medium_tomato 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I wish there was a sub where both men and women could discuss the issue. I know we hate men dominating our discussions but I am against alienating them from our cause. Men also peak. I wish they could discuss these issues with us and between themselves. I don't want to be like the SJWs who say sit down and shit the fuck up if you aren't XYZ.

[–]GenderCriticalOnly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Well, we had GenderCriticalGuys and GCdebatesQT, which were more like that. We just need a space where women can talk about this stuff without being shouted down, or having their socialisation exploited.

[–]medium_tomato 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I totally agree that we need our own space. But I also wish we had something like Gender critical all where both men and women can talk about it and support each other about this issue.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The issue with this is that men dominate the conversation with opinions and privilege. That was the entire point of the GC sub: uplift solely womens voices and intelligence. How is that not obvious? It amazes me that people keep parroting the whole "yea lets welcome men into our spaces!" when literally that ideology is what allows men to take over our words and our subreddits.

Yes men peak and deserve to talk about things, thats why we had GCguys and GCDebates.

[–]badMADam 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't get it either, as if there aren't places to discuss these topics together (we even had some men ppst on GC or women post on GCG), or as if we were soo hard on males. Libfemmy sugarcoating and coddling of male egos did NEVER actually get us anywhere. So why do some women need to associate themselves with males all the time, as if discussing and being with "only" women for once isn't enough for them? A group being mainly female always has a very special dynamic, and if enough women can make positive experiences with such groups this can be very empowering for them and their self- confidence. This helps them in participating in mixed spaced as well. As a young woman, I hardly had this chance any more in real life. I absolutely hate it when some women turn up and moan about the lack of males, as if we need their validaton and authority all the time.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You feel it would be helpful to be able to talk to men about these things too, at least someplace if not here in this sub?

[–]medium_tomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I absolutely do. I think it's not worth discounting all men on this. There are some gay men that can see the flaws in the tra ideology, straight men who have encountered the pressures of dating trans, and even some others that have peaked for other reasons. I'd love it if there was a separate sub for gender critical for both sexes.