Qt/tra, how does identity form?

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Because gays and lesbians pushed for it.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

And why would gays and lesbians not push for you to have third spaces if you wanted?

They don’t need any of the other stuff I listed- that’s all for your community. Why would they leave you hanging with this one thing?

There’s your community that’s powerful enough to help you get the change you really want right there.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You all are actively campaigning for them to turn their backs on us. Drop the t and all that. Not to mention that there’s not even consensus among us because of the fact that it could be used as justification to alienate us if we were separated as non women. Im for it but it’s not something all trans people want.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Lmao you must have a bullshit excuse generator because you have some reason why you’re helpless no matter what anyone says. It’s like you get off on self victimization and making trans people out to be hopeless. You act as if the majority of lgb wants to drop the t.

And just in case I had a response for that argument you made sure to mention that not all trans people agree to third spaces (as if it should be up to them and not the sex of the spaces they’re invading…) so of course if I respond to that you’ll have some excuse as to why whatever else I say won’t work.

If the trans community is so helpless that no one can do anything for them then I guess the issues that TW cause females will be dealt with fairly soon and there’ll be no need for women and girls to worry because we’ll get back what was taken from us by TW

Maybe all the bullshit being done to females in the name of TW is just temporary insanity or something

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's probably part of the stereotypical view of femininity- women are weak and helpless, therefore if I want to see myself as a woman I have to imagine myself as being weak and helpless. I am but a dainty maiden tied to a train track, won't somebody help me.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think with masks specifically it’s disregard for women and girls, inability to back up their claims or arguments, and narcissism mixed with other mental health issues.

Masks knows trans people aren’t powerless and have had a large amount of changes to their benefit (and the detriment of others) in a relatively short period of time. In other words, we all, including masks, know what masks is saying here is complete crap.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Im sure you will crack a bottle when we are denied any semblance of safety.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lmao Im sure your community will continue to have lower rates of crime committed against them than pretty much every other demographic in existence but no, I won’t waste my money on buying a bottle to celebrate women and girls having their rights back. I’ll just feel happy that women and girls get to be seen as humans again and treated with equality.

Didn’t you used to be a lawyer? You should be better at debate than this. You’re rebuttals and claims should be a hell of a lot stronger.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was a shitty lawyer. Turns out I’m stupid but just good at standardized tests.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you’re just a masochist lol

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah just sad and bad at everything but not smart enough to stop trying.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are a lawyer?! You studied law in a country where higher education is super expensive? You were able to get a job to find out you're not a good lawyer? After all your talk about people like you being super marginalized in the US, you managed to do all that?

If you're a lawyer, then you should know better than me how troublesome is writing in law concepts as nebulous as "gender identity" or "trans"... Don't you see the potential for loopholes and abuses? Seriously...?