Qt/tra, how does identity form?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

You can if you understand that you’ve based your identity on a harmful falsehood.

It wouldn’t even be changing the basis of your personality. Woman is not a personality. It’s changing the phrasing you use to describe the basis of your personality. liking feminine things is not a personality. What you’re describing is not personality or identity. The things you like or gravitate toward are not personality or identity. So all that would actually be changing is the phrasing you use- to something that is actually an accurate description of the situation instead of a harmful falsehood.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You are just talking about changing a superficial label, I’m talking about the psychological structures that make someone use a label. I know it is wrong to be called a man just as I know it would be wrong to called anything else that just isn’t true. Just as I know woman doesn’t feel wrong.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

So you can’t change the harmful language you use to describe yourself to actual accurate language because you don’t have the psychological capacity to handle it, Not because the label is true?

Im actually fine with You acknowledging that.

Im not fine that that’s the situation as you’ve been done a huge disservice by the medical/mental health professionals who have assisted you. But I’m fine with leaving it here as you’ve acknowledged it’s a psychological issue.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

So you can’t change the harmful language you use to describe yourself to actual accurate language because you don’t have the psychological capacity to handle it, Not because the label is true?

I’m not actually sure what you are saying here. To be clear I don’t believe it would be accurate to call me a man.

But I wasn’t done a disservice. I mean sure there’s a psychological issue in play but transition still objectively improved my life.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Im saying you can’t change the languages because of psychological issues.

A mentally healthy person would never have thought they were a woman to begin with so clearly the reason you can’t use accurate language is because of your psychological issues.

If You honestly think you’re a woman you were done a disservice by every medical professional who helped you transition imo.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Language changes based on society.

But back to the point. Without transition I would be dead. I was an actively suicidal no functional mess. Now I’m not suicidal and get by. In what way is that a disservice to me?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Language hasn’t changed in the way you’re claiming tho.

If mental health professionals are advocating allowing specific patients to cling to and believe such an obvious falsehood then they’ve done a disservice to those patients imo. You may not be suicidal- over the few years we’ve been engaging it’s become abundantly clear that you have deep rooted mental health issues that haven’t been dealt with. But sure, calling yourself a woman fixed you lol

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I never claimed to be fixed. I claimed to be non suicidal and functional as a result of transition. I’m not mentally healthy but the machine is running even if it’s a slapdash repair.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

So transition made you personally feel somewhat better. It hasn’t done anything to help with your mental health otherwise being called a man wouldn’t be an issue for you. We end up here all the time. I don’t deny that transition helps alleviate some discomfort, it did nothing to actually help the main aspect of your mental illness- you literally think you’re something tou cannot ever be. That’s a disservice imo. We’ve talked about this over and over. My position won’t change. If trans people can’t understand they are the sex and gender they were born and transition was purely to alleviate dysphoria, they have been done a disservice by the medical community.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You are literally saying it was a disservice to save my life. Think about that.