QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Male and female people are people who have a sense of being male or female. With gender dysphoria, your mind tells you that you were ment to be a different sex. Gender euphoria is the opposite. You are happy with your sex and possibly recoil at being another sex. That is your gender identity.

  2. Yes I am aware that the 2nd link is about biology and I just skimmed through the links. Thanks for pointing that out.

  3. As of this time, transition is the only cure for dysphoria.

  4. The phrase "trans women and women" is a misnomer because trans women are women and trans men are men. I'm assuming you mean trans women and cis women. They're both women. Trans men and cis men are both men. Trans women who pass are treated like women by society and vice versa. Trans women who pass look like cis women and trans men who pass look like cis men. Trans men on hormones have beards and facial hair, and skin typical of men.

  5. People are assigned male, female or intersex. We use phrases like "people with vaginas" because it's not only women who have vaginas.

  6. I really meant to say presenting as the sex you identify with alleviates dysphoria.

9a. If the kid later decides to get hormones as an adult, they are responsible for their decision. No one is forcing them to take hormones, change their names and tell people their pronouns are so-and-so.

9b. I personally don't trans dead people unless they have indicated they are trans themselves. Brandon Teena identified as a male in his senior year of HS, took hormones, changed his name and even told people he was intersex when asked by his girlfriend why he was housed in the female section of the prison. If he identified as a woman he would have simply stated he is a woman, or maybe this wouldn't be a question at all as he wouldn't have been on hormones. His mother was not supportive of his transition and refused to accept his male identity, continuing to refer to Teena as her "daughter." I do believe trans people have existed as long as humans have, but unless the person personally identified as a gender different from the one assigned at birth, I don't trans them.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As of this time, transition is the only cure for dysphoria.

That's a lie. Transition does NOT cure dysphoria. Not transitioning & accepting yourself for what you are is the only cure, it's called desistance & is defined by the lack of dysphoria.

People are assigned male, female or intersex

People are identified as male or female (is intersex a gender identity to you?) Some people assign themselves as the opposite sex in later life.

I do believe trans people have existed as long as humans have

This is a faith based belief. There have always been people (usually temporarily) who wished to be the opposite sex, but the current version of "transgender" is supposed to mean this mere wish to be the opposite sex is evidence that they are the opposite sex on some level – such people have never existed.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a lie. Transition does NOT cure dysphoria. Not transitioning & accepting yourself for what you are is the only cure, it's called desistance & is defined by the lack of dysphoria.

It's not a lie. Very few people are disasters, and those are people who aren't trans and stop identifying with the community. Most people report physical transition helps and people can be trans for many years. Amelio Robles Ávila and Alan Hart were trans for life.

People are identified as male or female (is intersex a gender identity to you?) Some people assign themselves as the opposite sex in later life.

Most intersex people are either male or female. Very few intersex people are neither male or female, and they personally identify that way. Pidgeon Pagonis is a known intersex activist who identifies as non-binary and their birth sex is unknown.

This is a faith based belief. There have always been people (usually temporarily) who wished to be the opposite sex, but the current version of "transgender" is supposed to mean this mere wish to be the opposite sex is evidence that they are the opposite sex on some level – such people have never existed.

I know you don't believe trans people existed throughout history. You also don't believe gay and lesbian people existed throughout history.

https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/7ze2/qt_if_all_these_third_genders_around_the_world/

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course it's a lie, the fact that you back-pedalled from "cure" to "help" is your own admission to having lied.

Point is "assigned intersex" makes no sense, since "sex assignment" as either male or female is what happens to infants with DSDs. If a child's DSD is recognised & not "corrected" in any way or categorised incorrectly, then it's not "assigned", in fact it's the exact opposite. Anyway, stop bringing up DSDs bc they are never relevant. Anyway, conception determines someone as male or female, it's not assigned. Some people role-play the opposite sex & claim it makes them the opposite sex. This "transgender" identity has yet to be substantiated.

In that you post you linked I made the claim that it's homophobic erasure & appropriation for the trans cult to misgender all historical & non-Western gay male populations as women. No idea how you think a lack of the mythical transgender people negatively affects gay people.