QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

1 - Sure, probably.

2 - 99% of the time it's what they have in their pants.

3 - Because it works? Why are anti-depressants sometimes used to treat ANXIETY instead of DEPRESSION?

4 - And you can prove this with stats that don't come from that one single GC think tank, right?

5 - Sucks to be them I guess, if you don't pass, you're living as whatever people see you as. If you're in a super liberal place maybe that's just a TW, if you aren't then probably not.

6 - So does neuroplasticity only exist when you guys want it to exist?

7 - IDK. It's not my fault language is changing and leaving you behind. It's just as much not my job to coddle you as it is not your job to coddle me.

8 - Literally only you guys see it as erasure, so no.

9a - They don't. The only people 'studying' desistance are people looking for those statistics, and use scummy ways to pad them like counting people who 'leave their clinic' for any reason as desisters.

b - Your guess is as good as mine. I'd be more than all for putting money into better vetting out young trans people, because it's still nowhere near perfect, but that's not the way the world works.

10 - No.

[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

2- Can you define what a man and a woman are without using circular definitions or rely on sexist setereotypes?

3- Where is the proof that it works?

4- Record numbers of transgender prisoners transition from men to women

One in 50 prisoners identifies as transgender amid concerns inmates are attempting to secure prison perks

6- OP is not GC. And when GC denied neuroplasticity, anyway? Do you even know what that word means?

7 and 8 - Of course, trans identified people are the only people who matter for QT...

9a) Are you saying that desistence must not be researched?

9b) How can you design a vetting system when QT ban any research that they don't like (e.g. desistence, detransition, alternative treatments, autoginephillia, causes of gender dysphoria, why the sex ratio has switched in recent years)? Why do "gender affirming treatments" studies avoid using controls (and by controls I mean people with gender dysphoria not being treated with "gender affirming treatments"?

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

2 - 'Adult human male or transgender female' 'Adult human female or transgender male' EZ PZ

3 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16758113/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-009-9551-1 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22736225/ literally 2 seconds in google.

4 - ? Neither of these links are about trangender sex offenders, they're about male prisoners trying to abuse a broken system.

6 - And I'm supposed to keep track of these things? My point still stands, brain sex is a stupid fucking concept. When did I say GC denies neuroplasticity?

7&8 - I mean, they matter more to me than you do. I'm certain the opposite is true for you. It's just the way life works.

9a - I'm saying the current research is awful.

9b -

and by controls I mean people with gender dysphoria not being treated with "gender affirming treatments

Because that's unethical and insane?

[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2a- So, what do adult human males and transgender females have in common to be grouped together? What do adult human females and transgender males have in common to be grouped together.

2b- How are you defining male that transgender males are not included in your definition of man? How are you defining female that transgender females are not included in your definition of woman?

3- They are paywalled. I may adress them later if I find a free version.

4- I need to label better my list of links... These two are about sex offenders.

Female prisoners at greater risk of sexual assault by transgender inmates, High Court hears

High Court rules transgender women CAN go into female prisons: Judges rule government's policy is lawful despite claims from inmate it raised risk of sex attacks

Those are official numbers from the British goverment. Real numbers may be slightly higher because males with a GRC are counted as female (but nobdy is trying to erase sex, right?). Notice that the judges of this case recognized the greater risk for female inmates, but they ruled women must suck it up because the feelings of males who identify as trans are more important. Tell me again how are trans identified people the most oprressed?

7 and 8- And yet women are supused to use "prefered pronouns" and "inclusive language" and acept males in women's spaces because...? You're the one who thinks we're a hate group for refusing to do all those things yet, when questioned about TRA policies' impact on women, you simplely say that is how life works? Seriously?

9a- Have you read any pro-QT paper?

9b- That is how clinical research works. To prove that a new drug is effective to treat a certain disease you need to do a randomized double blind trial where you give a group of subjects the drug you're testing and another group of subjects, a placebo. The participants don't know which one they are taking. Neither do the doctors. If there is already a treatment available, you can include the standard treatment to see if the new drug offer any advantage over it.

https://www.britannica.com/science/control-group

https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/control-group/

https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/double-blind-study/

Blinding for "gender affirment treatment" is not possible, but there is not excuse not to use a control group. But researchers never compare patients treated with "gender affirming treatment" with patients receiving not treatment or receive alternative treatments. They use the general population as control instead, except this doesn't tell us wheter patients are getting better from the treatment provided. Worse, for ideological reasons nowadays researchers will match subjects with controls by "gender identity" instead of sex and, thus, introducing more variables in the mix. Other common methodological problems of studies supporting "affirming" the identity of trans identified people are: they usually use a convenience sampling method, lack of long-term studies, and a high rate of participant's drop-out.