QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

1 It's not a hill I'm dying on. Taken with your flippancy about female erasure, the way language is manipulated and made to be less accurate is a problem. Calling it "gender dysphoria" makes it seem like gender is real. It's not. Calling sex dysphoria places the focus on exactly what it is. It also makes it tougher to pretend sex is not real. Sex dysphoria it is. Thanks for clarifying it for me. I'll not use that other inaccurate phrase anymore.

2 Actually you're being evasive x2 now on this. You did not call it a stupid question. You actually assumed there was data that backed up the claim and you attacked the source you assumed it was from. Attacking the source is a logical fallacy, or for team QT/TRA par for the course.

3 Does the reality of that situation only apply to them, or to full range of people in the categories of cross-dressers and/or trans people?

Are you admitting the "lady brain" concept is nonsense and does not bolster the claims that gender and trans gender is a real thing?

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

1 - The term Gender identity disorder was publicly coined in 1980 and was in circulation before that. It's just the word that's used. You're reading way too much into it. I could literally care less what it's called, it's just that it IS called gender dysphoria.

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attacking the source is a logical fallacy

Uh-huh, sure. Unbiased sources are important in a debate space. If you can't find any that's on you.

3 - Bud. Reality applies to everyone. That's how it works. I will always be trans. I pass, so that fact matters to literally only me, my husband, and medical professionals, and for someone who doesn't that group of people increases.

4 - Yes. It is nonsense. Dysphoria is a mental disorder. That's all it is. There's no magical 'look our brains are like their's so it all fits'.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

1 Care to guess when "women", and its use to mean adult human females, was publicly coined? I think you said language changes above. Keep up, it's sex dysphoria. It's the more accurate term.

2 You're the one assuming the source is biased, but calling it biased does not refute it. That's why attacking the source, also known as attacking the messenger, is a logical fallacy. You can pretend it's not, but you don't refute something by impugning person saying it.

3 Sounds like you're throwing those people, who aren't living the dream like you, under the bus.

4 We agree! Great! But if as you say in three, that you "will always be trans", but the lady brain stuff is nonsense, what objective criteria can anyone use to confirm some is trans and not a cross dresser, or a cross dresser having a laugh and claiming at some point in time to be trans? What makes it more than just something someone claims?

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I think you said language changes above

I didn't, but it's true. Sex dysphoria isn't used widely in the vernacular. Maybe it will be. It's more accurate, I don't know why you think I'd be against it, I'm just using the common medically cited term. I hope someday you'll change the minds of the individuals who name these things, maybe the DSM 6 can have your contribution in there.

You're the one assuming the source is biased

There's a difference between assumption and fact. The one source anyone ever cites isn't from a published study, it's from a survey run by a group of privately funded radfems. And just like every privately funded think tank group, you can not, under ANY circumstances, trust their data.

Sounds like you're throwing those people, who aren't living the dream like you, under the bus.

Not sure what you want me to do. There's no bus I'm throwing people under, it's just the way it is. Short of changing the minds of every single person on the planet, it won't change.

what objective criteria can anyone use to confirm some is trans

The medical condition. That's it. If someone wants to be a woman or a man because they like the identity of it then good for them, they aren't trans. Separation of the two groups would do wonders I think, but again, there's nothing I personally can do about that.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Still, impugning a source does not refute it. You may not trust their data, but the data stands unless you can show flaws in how it was collected or other related methodological flaws.

A medical condition is diagnosed independently of what ever a patient says or does not say. Wanting something is not a medical condition. Making an unverifiable claim is also not a medical condition. It might point to a psychological condition.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A medical condition is diagnosed independently of what ever a patient says or does not say

Glad we agree.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If so, then how is Sex Dysphoria, wrongly called gender dysphoria to make what is it less clear and obvious, diagnosed?