GC: Are men entitled to male-only spaces?

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[–]womanual[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I wouldn't worry about how men feel. There were times were men were uncomfortable with my presence in men's facilities. I just accuse them of mansplaining or being racist and then they just move about. As a woman, it's not my job to cater to men's feelings.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I don't agree with that at all. If it's their space, they're entitled to have a say in who is allowed to enter.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

By that logic, cis men have the right to insist trans women not enter their spaces.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't think the vast majority of men care. But if these are male spaces, then all natal males have a right to go in. I doubt trans women would want to, though.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That is different than my experience. I have encountered hostility in the vast majority of male spaces, only physically attacked once but very much had it made clear I wasn’t welcome. You vastly underestimate how much men hate trans women.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Do you think the vast majority of men would say you're not entitled to use the men's restroom?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I can’t speak to percentages but certainly enough that it’s not safe for me to be there.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think almost all of them would say you're entitled to be there, but I also don't think your concern for your safety is unwarranted. That's why I support third spaces.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can’t say they would say we are entitled to be there while attacking us. That makes no sense.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Almost all men are not going to be the ones attacking you. If you ask them, "do you think a natal male is entitled to be in a men's restroom?" overwhelmingly they would say "yes."

You would be entitled to be there because it's a place for natal male people, regardless of how gender nonconforming they are.