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[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If it’s not discussed it is possible. Lilly Elbe in the 30’s. Jorgensen in the 50’s. Unlikely certainly but not impossible. You assume the character isn’t trans.

Circling, a non-passing transsexual would never have been hired in a job of that type back in the 1960s. It's simply not possible due to the extreme prejudice they faced at the time. This character worked with children. If a known homosexual would have been roundly dismissed from most jobs (but especially a job working with children), the response for a transsexual would have been equally as harsh if not harsher. They would never have gotten the job at all. Out of everyone here, I find it surprising you'd downplay the struggles such individuals faced.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Fictional universes need not be as bad as real ones.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So fiction should only portray ideals and not anything realistic?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not only, but exclusively the other. Why must fiction be bound by prejudice when it isn’t the point of the story?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the story is being told in a real world setting. It’s not a fantasy setting, it’s a story set in the actual world.

Idk how else to phrase it because it’s honestly pretty simple as a concept. Fiction can have enormous amounts of realism, and the existence of concepts in a story that aren’t nice are not actually an attack on the viewer.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It' s a ridicoulous concept. If the story had given the slightest hint that it takes place in some kind of parallel universe, then it would be another thing entirely.

But we are talking about realistic and historical settings that, in Mask' s mind, diverge from reality in one single element, which is that everyone respects the fact that trans women are women.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ikr? Like, I get that it hurts masks feelings but it’s really wild to think that all fiction should cater to this tiny western audience, and not represent anything historical that was yucky.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Sure, but there's no evidence it was a fantasy world. Anyway, that's getting a little far afield. I think your original comment was that Hollywood won't give trans women those roles. It seems to be changing, which is a good thing. I don't mind trans women playing non-trans roles, or vice versa either. Acting is acting.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay. I disagree. I don’t really mind natal women playing trans women that much, though I would prefer a trans woman have the role given how few their are. However I will always strenuously object to men playing trans women.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Have you seen bad portrayals? I keep meaning to watch The Danish Girl on Netflix, but I heard Eddie Redmayne did a good job in that role.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I mean the very fact it’s a cis man makes it a bad portrayal. I had less issue with a Redmayne since he seemed to at least have talked to a lot of trans women and didn’t look like a bad joke. But honestly take your pic. Recently Matt Bomer in anything was absolutely appalling and Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers club was absolutely unbearable.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it just that they're non-passing, or did you think the actors themselves took it as a joke?