Both: In light of recent events. In what context is Voyeurism and Indecent Exposure acceptable? Is there a rational justification for making an exception for males who claim to be women?

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[–]FlanJam 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Update on the incident (dont wanna make a whole new thread so I'll post here):

tl;dr People protested Wi Spa after the incident. Antifa group accused them of transphobia and attacked them. Police stepped in to break it up.

[–]Penultimate_Penance[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gosh the news stories titles are infuriating. What about women's rights? This isn't a case of some poor beleaguered trans woman. He deliberately exposed himself and viewed women's naked bodies without their consent. It blows my mind how tilted the coverage is.

[–]FlanJam 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah and I don't like the way they frame it as pro-trans vs anti-trans. Its so loaded, it makes the "anti-trans" side the bad guys by default. I don't even think of it as a trans issue, its a women's issue. The fact that the person is trans doesn't matter. Its the fact that they have a penis, that's the issue.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They even physically attacked some men, who were protecting women.

It was so hard to watch parts where gang of 7-10 young tall men were surrounding, intimidating and pressuring sole women with signs "women can say NO" or similar.

That is what we get with those Biden laws - now misogynistic men "finally" got the ability to harass women and not get judged or jailed for it. Even more - so many press is praising or justifying them, misrepresenting the situation.

[–]FlanJam 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah they were really hard to watch, the violence is genuinely disturbing. I don't even know if its possible to reason with these people anymore.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And newslaters, TV news outlets are mostly protecting those men and blaming their victims instead.

Have you seen that "prominent pro-trans feminist" saying that "it is 6 years old and 9 years old girls fault that they were looking at penis, when that poor marginalized transwoman stood in front of them"? And then her answer was "then do not go spa and sit at home if you don't like that your kids are in danger now" to one of the mothers. We got to a situation again, where women don't have our safe spaces, so we can't have social life and we are back to not being able to work, receive education and live social life - just like in 1800s.

[–]FlanJam 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think I saw that, or at least I saw something similar. A 'feminist' writer said something like its rude for the girls to stare at the person's penis, as if the trans person was the victim in this scenario. Absolutely backwards bonkers, I feel like I'm in an episode of the twilight zone.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The one I am talking posted thread just few months before this event about "rape culture", where was explaining that "rape culture is when media and people around trying to gaslight you that rapists are doing nothing wrong and it is victims fault, and that men being naked around women when women do not consent is part of it". And now she is personally participating in this rape culture by doing the gaslighting.