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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Easy. Anything used for cosmetic effects is not necessary even if the person gets extremely sad without it.

We don’t give nose jobs or Lipo to people with dysmorphia do we? Even though they’re extremely sad about it. They get therapy and anti depressants and actual help. Having dysmorphia about breasts or a vulva or a penis does not make it different. It does not make it necessary to help the person disfigure their healthy body even though they may be dysfunctionally sad about not getting to ruin healthy body parts.

Hormones do not treat dysphoria. They mask it by giving the sufferer a cosmetic bandaid for a psychological bullethole. Anything less than agreement and affirmation that the patient is what their dysmorphia tells them they must be and have is treated as medical malpractice and abuse of a patient. Absolutely no treatment happens at all when gender affirmation is offered.

Automatically treating the sad with hormones is nonsensical. There is no disease that is treated by an artificially induced endocrine disorder. Causing disease to treat non-disease sadness is dumb and it cannot be framed in a way that makes it sensible.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Automatically treating the sad with hormones is nonsensical.

And potentially explosive if the person in question has (say) bipolar disorder or functional schizophrenia.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh shit really? That’s scary. Each of those can be absolutely devastating.

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Very scary. How many people assume (or are pressured into believing) that T is the answer to what's ailing them without getting a full psych screening first? Can you imagine a full-on manic episode plus exogenous T?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My sister recently had her first full blown manic episode and was diagnosed as bipolar 1. She was so goddamn scared of her own brain and that was without any sort of drug in her system that would exacerbate it..I don't even want to imagine something like roid rage on top of it.

They’re promised control over their bodies via testosterone and end up with out of control moods and other brutal side effects.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry your sister has to navigate that -- it can be terrifying. FWIW I've seen similar with untreated bipolar and exogenous estrogen -- wild mood swings, episodes of intense narcissistic rage.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s rough on her. She’s a tough nut though. We take care of each other.

Imo any exogenous hormones are not without risks and replacement therapy is somehow the hardest to get whilst cross sex hormones are handed out like paracetamol.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of text for an old argument refuted innumerable times. The mindsets between GID and BDDs are quite different.

BDD distorts the paitents self perception. They'll see something as either worse than it is or percieve it completely differently. To the point that they'll obsess about it [ocpd]. Eg the guy that's fine beeing a guy, but obsesses over his average sized dick.

GID does not change the paitents perception of the body. Same person, but with GID would be perfectly aware that their body is healthy and average and overall fine, but is not comfortable with their sex - male in this case.

I don't deny that you can suffer from both GID and BDD. The example of the objectively passing trans man obsessing over his small hand, which is actually in the average size range for males.

I'll now continue to point out some more things.

They get therapy and anti depressants and actual help.

ADs APs and therapy have been tried and did not help for GID patients.

Having dysmorphia about breasts or a vulva or a penis does not make it different. It does not make it necessary to help the person disfigure their healthy body even though they may be dysfunctionally sad about not getting to ruin healthy body parts.

I concur. To bad you're conflating GID and BDD for the sake of argument, but without context you make a great observation. Kudos.

There is no disease that is treated by an artificially induced endocrine disorder.

Just because something is unique does not make it wrong or flawed. Some issues only have one currently known solution that may seem unorthodox. That does not effect its efficacy in any way.

Causing disease to treat non-disease sadness is dumb and it cannot be framed in a way that makes it sensible.

The word disease does not make a ton of sense here. Last time I checked CGHRT [or mental illness for the sentence above] isn't infectious. Even when using illness I'm not sure what exactly you mean by it so id like to ask you to define disease in the context you used it. I'm not a native speaker so there may be some context I'm not aware of.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean disease to refer to any illness that is physical. Infections, cancers, viruses, parasites, neuralgia, etc etc.

Didn’t know non affirmative therapy that isn’t also that weird flavour of homophobic “be normal” had been tried. All the treatment plans seem extremely against any level of questioning or challenging the patients preconceived notions of gender.

Guess I just find the entire process far too unethical to consider it medicine.