Both: What do you think causes people to develop sexual paraphilias?

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[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I'm skeptical something as innocuous as that could trigger a full-blown paraphilia. But I did have two different people on Reddit tell me that one of their first "signs" of having kinks was watching Disney's freaking Jungle Book movie.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Precisely which movie version of Disney's Jungle Book do they cite? There have been half a dozen Disney JB movies since the late 1960s plus at least as many TV and video game spinoffs...I'd love to know which one is ostensibly linked to kinks.

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The Disney cartoon movie from 1967. It was something about the snake hypnotizing people. I remember thinking I ought to keep my future kids away from it in case it corrupts their sexuality.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Thank you for clarifying! I guess in the case of me, my siblings, peers and all our kids, the train has already left the station. Funny thing, though - I don't think any of us are on reddit kink subs. LOL

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ha, yeah, I admit I'm at a loss to understand how an innocent, non-sexual movie could cause little kids to be sexually aroused.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Gotta re-frame your locus of "sexual" from genitalia and sex and nekkedness to paraphilia. It's non-sexual to the non-paraphile.

I've also collected many anecdotes from people with sadomasochistic interests that Disney films were their first recognition that the concept in the film was interesting to them.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess it must happen, but it's so strange to me. I'm guessing the kids first had their innocence corrupted elsewhere because I don't think a regular movie could corrupt a child all on its own.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's erotic mis-learning or erotic learning. We don't know that much about it. Its evolutionary foundation in our species is probably due to concealed ovulation.

This is an excellent paper that touches on the topic a little bit:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J-Bailey-4/publication/336818727_The_Poverty_of_Conditioning_Explanations_for_Sexual_Interests_Reply_to_Grey_2019/links/5dc45cf6299bf1a47b1f79a0/The-Poverty-of-Conditioning-Explanations-for-Sexual-Interests-Reply-to-Grey-2019.pdf

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll check it out. Thanks for the link.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

What do you mean by full blown paraphilia? I'm not talking about paraphilic disorders. A paraphilia is simply a deviant sexual interest. And like any interest could be triggered by all kinds of related things.

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just meant a full-blown deviant sexual interest. Like bondage or masochism or something. I don't think an innocent non-sexual scene in a movie could cause that all on its own.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the answer. Would you allow me to rephrase my question: Can you give me an example for a deviant sexual interest that isn't "full blown" ?

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure. I was trying to differentiate between paraphiliac disorders and less extreme deviant sexual interests. I guess someone with a disorder is unable to get aroused by anything else. A person with a deviant sexual interest most likely would enjoy things unrelated to the kink or fetish, but still has a "full-blown" affinity for deviant stuff.

I suppose it's also possible to have mild deviant sexual interests. But I still don't think even the mild stuff could be caused solely by childhood exposure to non-sexual material.