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[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In order for anything I said to be true the majority would have to disagree. In order for me to say that our cultures believes in binary opposites, most people would have to believe in binary opposites. I think it was Saussure who figured out that binaries refer to absence vs. presence. It was Derrida who figured out that all these binaries are hierarchical. After that follow the norm vs other conception that Simone de Beauvoir appears to subscribe to. So even though it may not be a concept that is understood by the mainstream it has been present within feminism for a long time now.

We are all conditioned the same. We are all conditioned to have a positive view of masculinity & femininity. If you try to look up mainstream lists of feminine traits, there will be no mention of sexual objectification, despite sexual objectification playing such a huge part in our culture's view of women. These definitions are dishonest, propaganda. Practically every well-known feminist text is a critique on femininity. Femininity is conformity to patriarchal norms. It's the antithesis of feminism. So my negative view of it is hardly controversial within feminist circles.

Women might end up being more polite, more sociable & less aggressive than men as a result of their socialisation, but is that valuable when you know the origin, when you know the cost?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

You can break everything into binaries and hierarchies but they can be contingent.

It isn't a fact that masculinity is the best that is a subjective judgement.

People can sexually objectify masculinity. Is that a reason to abolish it?

I think attraction to masculinity or femininity is a perfectly natural part of human behaviour. Cultures without gender wouldn't be natural.

All attempts to make cultures without gender fail.

It's true radical feminism often is opposed to femininity as a concept. But the idea never becomes the mainstream idea within feminism because of rejection by women. This carries on not happening. When it carries on not happening you have admit that there might be an error in the theory saying it ought to happen.

Are you admitting there is value in not being so aggressive as the masculine trait often represents? That there is value in agreeableness.

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can break everything into binaries and hierarchies but they can be contingent.

My point is that they are nether binaries nor hierarchical.

It isn't a fact that masculinity is the best that is a subjective judgement.

When did I say masculinity is objectively the best?

People can sexually objectify masculinity. Is that a reason to abolish it?

That's hypothetical. I've never seen any instance of sexual objectification of masculinity. If someone sexually objectified masculinity once, twice, even thrice, that's not on par with femininity being defined by it.

I think attraction to masculinity or femininity is a perfectly natural part of human behaviour. Cultures without gender wouldn't be natural.

So why aren't children attractive then?

All attempts to make cultures without gender fail.

Everything fails.

Are you admitting there is value in not being so aggressive as the masculine trait often represents? That there is value in agreeableness.

There is value in being working-class & women are the working-class within the nuclear family structure. If you're poor, uneducated & an extravert you probably laugh more often, have a lot more friends & are less neurotic than your middle-class counterparts. There is value in it, not by design, but our culture doesn't value it.

There are ways of getting men to be less aggressive without making them into an easily exploitable doormat like the feminine standard would have them become if they were to ever adopt it fully.