Both: What did you think of the 60 Minutes segment on transgender health care and detransition?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

An attempt was made.

giving in and adding pro trans rhetoric really was shitting all over what would have been a great opportunity for detransitioners to speak. Instead everything they say is bookended by the usual party line.

Media needs to stop bowing to Twitter dipshits.

[–]worried19[S] 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

I really feel like the activist pressure backfired in this case. Instead of detransitioners being presented on their own as a small minority, they're being discussed as an aspect of overall transgender health care. And the trans doctor at the beginning of the segment voiced concerns, which was echoed by the other doctor saying that even her trans colleagues have worries about what's happening. All of this proves to the average viewer that this issue is complicated, and the personal stories of the detransitioners were alarming and heartbreaking.

Kudos to Lesley Stahl. She spent a lot of time with those detransitioners. She seemed to really like and relate to Grace. I would be willing to bet she stood up for the segment and didn't allow the producers to kill it. Just a gut feeling, but I would guess the only reason we saw it was because of her. She's 79 years old and has had a well respected career, so I doubt she cares about the Twitter mob coming after her.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Oh don’t get me wrong they tried and there was clear effort to do this properly. The problem is more that there can be no discussion of transgender rhetoric without an obligatory piece stating it’s good and helpful and safe.

Even a long standing careerwoman with an established and respected reputation couldn’t provide detransitioners an opportunity to be heard and understood without tra worming in.

[–]worried19[S] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Totally agree. It's disheartening. I was just glad they didn't succeed in silencing them. You could tell the Human Rights Campaign lawyer (who was only there for political purposes) was pissed at not being able to control the narrative. GLAAD and the ACLU and other similar organizations are throwing a shit fit online.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine the shit fits are enormous right now, haha.

It frightens me to think how much power it would take to freely question tra publicly.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'd like to think it was an attempt at being balanced by adding some positive words about trans healthcare and transitioning. There is a serious problem with overtreatment and lack of real care and medical/professional oversight, but I'm getting this sense that majority views may swing far to the opposite direction--more and more people seem to be pushing back against the invasiveness of this ideology à la what has been happening in the UK and some US states. I absolutely think children shouldn't be transitioned nor should anyone do so if they can help it, and most people are likely better off not taking exogenous hormones or having surgical procedures, but there may still be cases where those are what might be the best thing for a person until more adequate treatment or preventative steps are developed. I'd really like to think the inclusion was more helpful than not.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Imo it’s less fair to mitigate the statements of detransitioners by having them immediately followed by pro trans people.

Belief in gender is high and extremely popular in America. It’s publicly unacceptable for huge swaths of people to speak against or even question the legitimacy of gender and transgender rhetoric. Detransitioners are an even smaller group, with more female members forced to share their tiny spotlight with males arguing the popular line that transition is healthy and good for people.

They may have been aiming for balance but in effect detrans people didn’t get the chance to speak alone and unopposed for once.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Hopefully this sets a stage for them to eventually be able to, kind of in the same vein that Worried said in another comment. It seems like this just wasn't likely to air if it only was detransitioners and their advocates and supporters sharing, so they've at least made their way to a large international stage--they're on the radar, at least. I have a gut feeling that it won't be long until they can speak freely in the media, it's just going to have to be eased into mass media and public discourse. Though it might be a rather slow... transition

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Ahhh you! Making me snicker like a kid haha.

Hopefully this does open the stage up for others

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

haha yusssss 🤭 Fingers crossed!