GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

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[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

An autogynephile is a man who sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. The majority of trans women, even trans lesbians, are not autogynephiles.

Ignorance. The word for a non-homosexual transsexual male is autogynaephile. You don't get to decide how the typology works. Transbians are, by virtue of being transbians, autogynaephiles. Clear?

You clearly don't believe in gender dysphoria, so.

Belief has nothing to do with it. The body that created GD no longer "believes in it", so why should anyone else?

I think you're the one that has issues regarding homosexuality, because the homosexual people I know are supportive of trans people

So I have "an issue with homosexuality" because I disagree with gay women who are both pro conversion therapy (i.e. transitioning of gay kids) & pro-autogynaephiles being legally recognised as adult human females? That's just identity politics: the "correct" identity has the "correct" opinion. A flawed take. Fox News always hires black people to repeat racist rhetoric for people like you, I suppose. What are the gay & female versions of an Uncle Tom?

We'll never know if they were stealth homosexuals or not. Please quit posting these American mainstream news outlets. Wikipedia is the lowest I'm willing to go regarding secondary sources.

lesbians don't change...

The ones that are converted via transition do. There are 3 "trans" groups, generally: the homosexuals, the autogynaephiles & the trenders (a form of conversion therapy, a paraphilia & a teen sub-culture, respectively). One group's existence does not undermine another's, comprendé?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Ignorance. The word for a non-homosexual transsexual male is autogynaephile. You don't get to decide how the typology works. Transbians are, by virtue of being transbians, autogynaephiles. Clear?

That's not what the DSM-V says, and you preach the DSM-V. You alone don't get to decide how typology works either, the majority of society does. Most of us agreed trans women are women. We have laws protecting trans people, like the right to use restrooms that match your gender identity. This wouldn't be possible without majority agreement.

Belief has nothing to do with it. The body that created GD no longer "believes in it", so why should anyone else?

We believe in gender dysphoria 100%. It's you that doesn't.

So I have "an issue with homosexuality" because I disagree with gay women who are both pro conversion therapy (i.e. transitioning of gay kids) & pro-autogynaephiles being legally recognised as adult human females?

Conversion therapy is literally using aversive conditioning techniques to change someone's sexual orientation. Conversion therapy is not someone voluntarily choosing to transition. What you just said is offensive to actual victims of conversion therapy, who had to endure years and years of trauma and PTSD.

A flawed take. Fox News always hires black people to repeat racist rhetoric for people like you, I suppose. What are the gay & female versions of an Uncle Tom?

The people I mentioned were not paid for their pro-trans speeches. Granted, saying anti-trans speech will get you ostracized, but in that case they had the option not to say anything at all. But all of the LGB people I know spoke in support of trans people. Calling someone an Uncle Tom, handmaiden or a traitor is gross and will earn you less respect than you already have.

We'll never know if they were stealth homosexuals or not. Please quit posting these American mainstream news outlets. Wikipedia is the lowest I'm willing to go regarding secondary sources.

You just don't want to hear the truth.

The ones that are converted via transition do. There are 3 "trans" groups, generally: the homosexuals, the autogynaephiles & the trenders (a form of conversion therapy, a paraphilia & a teen sub-culture, respectively). One group's existence does not undermine another's, comprendé?

You just made this up.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Who is this most of us you constantly refer to? All women? Can you share the methods used to gather that data and the results please?

Do you say most women when you’re really referring to the women who post on liberal “feminist” rags and qt subreddits? I think this is the case.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

"Most of us" is most Americans and Canadians.

Why is “feminist” in quotes?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because I don’t consider liberal “feminism” even slightly feminist. As a movement it panders to men and porn while doing nothing to advance or protect the rights of women.

Can we see how you asked every American and Canadian what they think, how you know they were honest, and the exact figures you got from this questioning?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Because I don’t consider liberal “feminism” even slightly feminist. As a movement it panders to men and porn while doing nothing to advance or protect the rights of women.

Liberal feminists fought for and continue to fight for OTC birth control, ending sexual harassment and domestic violence, the prosecution of rape, equal pay, universal healthcare, Black Lives Matter, gay marriage, against ableism, classism and a host of other issues. All those things help me as a woman. We are critical of the mainstream porn induatry, but not every form of sexual entertainment. Some feminists, while also fighting issues not specifically related to women, do not consider these issues "feminist". We all have different definitions of "feminism" and there are different branches of feminism. Some branches of feminism do not see gender critical feminism as actual feminism. My feminism is social justice feminism. I support all causes for every marginalized group, vote, sign petitions and look at my own privileges and oppressions and how different identities intersect.

Can we see how you asked every American and Canadian what they think, how you know they were honest, and the exact figures you got from this questioning?

My state has various laws to protect transgender people. Its illegal to harass someone for using a bathroom that matches their gender identity. This wouldn't be possible without majority support.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Liberal feminism supports sex work as empowerment, pornography, the erasure of women’s spaces, the concept of gender identity, interfering with children’s puberty, and the concept of gendered roles and expectations as innate.

Supporting birth control and abortions does not a feminist make. What you do is irrelevant. It’s not about you, personally.

the laws in my state...

That’s not what I asked. I asked you for the data and collection methods you used to be able to say that most people in America and Canada think that transwomen are actually women.

Did you just pull that out of your ass or not? If not you should be able to post the data right here. Just copy and paste it from the source you have.