GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

One of the leading architects of the campaign, and the strategies, for removing policies and provisions that provide women & girls with protections in the Western world is Stephen Whittle, a trans-identified female who is a law professor and "law scholar." Whittle, age 66, came out as trans in 1974 and started taking testosterone in 1975. Whittle, a founder of Press for Change, is a principal force in the writing & passage of the UK's Gender Recognition Act of 2004, a piece of legislation that removed a lot of protections for female people, and paved the road for the removal of many more. Whittle alsi is a leading figure behind the Yogyakarta Principles.

James Morton, a trans-identified female, of Scottish Trans Alliance was one of the principal architects of the strategy in the UK to clear the way for males to gain access into all female spaces by working behind the scenes to get trans-identified males into prisons on the sly whilst the larger public was unaware, so that no one on the outside would realize what was happening until it was already a fair accompli.

In the USA, one of the major organizations with maximum clout pushing to get males into female sports, locker rooms, toilets, shelters, rape refuges, prisons and so on for many years now has been the ACLU, and its lead attorney in these cases is Chase Strangio, a trans-identified female.

These highly-placed female people might be not be the ones who cooked up transgenderism in the first place, or the ones pulling all the strings, but they definitely have done and are doing their part. I think we underplay their role at our peril.

Immediately, automatically minimizing the damage done by these female misogynists strikes me as weirdly sexist. Seems the dangers they pose and the roles they play are written off as really not all that harmful coz they are female, and it's assumed that as female people they really couldn't hurt a fly, so to speak. Or that's how it's coming across to me.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow so transmen really are just as terrible as the rest of the tra movement. Wonder why gb wants us to fight against them so much

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Oh c'mon. No, not all "transmen" are just as terrible as the rest of TRAs. But some are. I was disagreeing with your claim that

What they are doing is stupid and annoying and but it’s less harmful than transwomen. Yeah, they suck for undermining other women but they aren’t the rapists or the violent men taking away women's protections.

Fact is, it's not just rapists & violent men who are taking away women's protections; they're not even the principal parties doing it. Women's protections are being removed by attorneys, political strategists, lobbyists, legislators, law enforcement, jurists, sports governing bodies, school administrators, government officials and establishment orgs like the ACLU, HCR, NOW, NCLR and the USA's Democratic Party. Some of the people playing key roles in the removal of women's protections are females who identify as the opposite sex.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not arguing against your correction. They’re doing the same things as tra to harm women, just as bad.

I don’t think that ‘not all xyz’ arguments are ever necessary. We know nobody is saying every single individual in a group.

As a group, transmen are undermining other women the same way tra is. How is that not just as bad?