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[–]adungitit 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

  1. Women do not present a threat to men, or other women for that matter. Female spaces exist and were set up in the first place to protect women from male harassment and violence, hence why men cannot be allowed in them. Male safety has never been in any way compromised by women which is why male spaces don't exist for male protection nor rely on female exclusion. A woman entering male spaces is taking a risk to herself, rather than presenting a danger to men. We can criticise ideologies that convince her men are harmless and not misogynistic, or that she's safe from misogyny because she put "he/their" on her twitter bio, but that's not really addressing the issues themselves.

  2. Female trans people occupy the same role as female people in general trying to play nice with the patriarchy to gain male respect or establish how "not like other girls" they are. Women throwing women under the bus for patriarchal approval is nothing new, even though female trans people love to think their mere existence somehow dismantles radical feminism. Ultimately, most women working against their interests do so for men's sake and approval. Remove men dominating with their misogyny and you remove women's tendency to haggle with the patriarchy as well.

  3. Women do not have the power to affect how men are viewed or how they behave. This is due to the aforementioned power dynamic between the sexes, as well as gendered upbringing and the historical precedent behind misogynistic myths and treatment of women. Men are the ones who invade female spaces, gaslight and preach misogyny, and benefit from a lifetime of socialisation fondling their egos, making them dominate conversations, drown out women's voices, think their opinions and feelings need to be centred by women no matter how misogynistic and full of shit they are, and overall have the kind of obnoxious baseless confidence combined with the refusal to take a step back and listen to women or even consider reality without their biased male lens. Men constantly abuse society's ignorance or plain wilful stupidity over women's bodies and their experiences to push misogynistic mythology and take what they want for themselves, and they constantly abuse women's meekness and politeness for it, because women are trained to bend over backwards to accommodate men.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Women do not have the power to affect how men are viewed or how they behave. This is due to the aforementioned power dynamic between the sexes, as well as gendered upbringing and the historical precedent behind misogynistic myths and treatment of women. Men...benefit from a lifetime of socialisation fondling their egos, making them dominate conversations, drown out women's voices, think their opinions and feelings need to be centred by women no matter how misogynistic and full of shit they are, and overall have the kind of obnoxious baseless confidence combined with the refusal to take a step back and listen to women or even consider reality without their biased male lens.

I know we're talking about women who identify as men here, but you're overlooking the intergenerational dimensions and thus many of the complex realities. The fact is, women do have power to affect how men are viewed and and how men behave because historically women have done the majority of childrearing - and still do. Moreover, most of the teachers and administrators in early and middle childhood education until HS long have been, and still are, women too. So women really do play a huge part in providing males with the socialization that fondles their egos, centers their feelings, teaches them to dominate convos, drown out girls & women's voices and so on.

Just as women play a huge part in socializing girls & young women to adopt

meekness and politeness

And to be

trained to bend over backwards to accommodate men.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 9 fun3 insightful - 10 fun -  (3 children)

Women do not present a threat to men, or other women for that matter.

So women never physically harm other women? Gotcha!

Female trans people occupy the same role as female people in general trying to play nice with the patriarchy to gain male respect or establish how "not like other girls" they are.

Trans men can't be "not like the other girls" because they are not girls to begin with. They're boys/men.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re really going to pretend that women harm other women as frequently as men? Really?

[–]Penultimate_Penance 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just going to leave this here:

"Among known risk factors for being convicted of a violent crime, male sex is the most prominent; men commit about 90 % of violent crimes" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969807/

I'd rather take my chances with women thank you very much.

[–]adungitit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

So women never physically harm other women? Gotcha!

Close enough to "never" that we don't need any protections from it. And even if it does happen, there isn't likely to be a huge strength and power imbalance in the aggressor's favour. Moreover, women do not prey on and attack other women for sexual and sadistic purposes. This simply does not happen, and no, it wouldn't turn into a problem even if you could dig up 1 out of a million of women who have experienced this. The person below provided the relevant statistics, not that any person who can use their fucking eyes should need them. You can simply talk to women to know that most of them have had experiences with men following them, grabbing them, catcalling them, creeping on them to straight up assaulting and raping them. This is not some rare exceptional event, it's a rampant issue that most women have experienced. Meanwhile, good luck finding men who have been preyed on in such a way, especially by women. You won't, hence why the mere idea of a predatory woman is a joke in most men's eyes, a fun harmless little fantasy not to be taken seriously.

Now, are you going to keep lying through your teeth some more? Are you going to give these women the usual "You're just overreacting/making it all/hysterical/you should take it as a compliment" bs? Or maybe you want to call government agencies liars for correctly identifying the criminals' sex? Or is this going to be too much even for you, so you'll just conveniently disappear and re-appear elsewhere to lie some more in hopes that no-one will call you out on it?