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[–]SnowAssMan 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Kind of obvious isn't it? Men in women's spaces is the problem. E.g. men's sports, toilets, prisons etc. were already unisex. Anyone can use/join them. It's the female spaces where men aren't allowed. There is actually no such thing as a "men's space", so women using them doesn't affect anyone except themselves. It's for their own good not to use them, not men's.

Also, practically everyone here was on reddit, on feminist subs. We all got expunged &/or our subs banned because some men decided that a movement dedicated to examining & fighting against sexism wasn't affirming their self-identification as "valid women", due to feminist analysis far too often acknowledging the existence of sex – which is the height of transphobia, didn't you know?

I doubt there are any transgender females who want to be in men's prisons lol but the trans-movement, like any movement, is androcentric, which in their topsy-turvy world would probably be called transgynocentric, or something equally ridiculous. So they don't care that changing rights to be based on felt-gender will actually be detrimental to the female members (the vast majority, but clearly a social minority) of their community.

Heck, it's mostly trans men who insist people use terms like "pregnant people" and "menstruators"

Wrong. The pressure is coming from the male ones. They just blame the female ones. The female ones generally keep out of everyone's way. The homosexual ones aren't as hostile either. The main issue are the het male trans – the most dogmatic, obnoxious & relentless ones with the most entitlement & least legitimacy.

Barring the white ones, "transgender people" are just feminine homosexuals in every culture on the damn planet.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Men in women's spaces is the problem. E.g. men's sports, toilets, prisons etc. were already unisex. Anyone can use/join them. It's the female spaces where men aren't allowed. There is actually no such thing as a "men's space", so women using them doesn't affect anyone except themselves. It's for their own good not to use them, not men's.

Not true. Women historically were explicitly barred from many sports and spaces such as schools, universities, clubs, most of the clergy. Still many clubs, fraternities and institutions like the Catholic hierarchy of the priesthood are for males only. In most of the Islamic world women can't be imams, and they certainly can't be mullahs and ayatollahs, and they are only allowed in one small part of mosques behind a curtain. Same goes for orthodox Jewish sects; only males get to become rebbes and devote their lives to study of the sacred texts, and at worship and social events like weddings women & girls are kept off to one side - or to a balcony - separate from the boys & men.

When previously all-male institutions like the university I attended decide to admit females, many had to amend their charters and other founding documents which said they were only for men. After I graduated, the alumni clubs only permitted women in certain parts of the premises - we were barred from the pools and gym, for example. When I was growing up, women were explicitly barred from applying for a vast number of jobs and positions. Women were also were not permitted to participate in distance running at the community or club level, or to partake in marathons.

There are still many private clubs around that are male-only, or if they are mixed-sex they have male-only spaces like the Men's Grill and Men's Lounge.

[–]divingrightintowork 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I generally support private orgs and spaces having their own rules that can be exclusionary. This includes churches.