QT/trans: What would be the worst things to happen if the concept of gender did not exist?

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[–]Penultimate_Penance 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You do understand that transitioning is conforming to a different gender role right? Trans people say I don't like this [male/female]box, I want to get into this [female/male]box instead.

Gender critical people say fuck the boxes. Your sex is not your fate. There are two sexes and infinite personalities. There is no need whatsoever to modify your body. You are your body and your body is just fine the way it is. You know what actual gender nonconformity actually is? Being 100% honest about who and what you are and pursuing your interests regardless of whether they are 'masculine' or 'feminine', the haters be damned. Not trying to fool them into thinking you are the opposite sex. That's the cowards solution.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

No trans people are against boxes as well

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So why are we supposed to treat men in dresses like women?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 10 fun1 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 10 fun -  (6 children)

You’re not. Trans women are women

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How are they women, without gender?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Nope. Never have been, never will be.

But for the sake of pedants, why are we supposed to treat people who are observed male at birth like they are women if they say they are/wear clothes deemed women’s clothes

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Coz males, particularly males who claim to be women, want us to think they are the ultimate and only authority on what women are. We don't count to them. Coz they don't see us human beings who exist in our own right who are different and separate to them. They see women only as reflections of their own very male fantasies and desires.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perfectly put.

A woman is nothing to these people but a performance they insist they do best.

[–]Penultimate_Penance 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women are people with female bodies. Trans women do not have female bodies. Women need a word for themselves. Trans Women aka Men aka people with male bodies have no right whatsoever to define womanhood for us. The only way you can justify considering men who claim to be women women is by claiming womanhood = a certain subset of sex role stereotypes.

Pray tell what does the magical woman essence consist of that means male bodied people can be lumped in with women aka adult human females? If you get rid of gender roles aka sex roles aka sex stereotypes from the debate all you have left is that there are two types of human bodies male and female. Males can never be female full stop.

Black is not white. Transwomen are not women. They're men. You're going to have a hell of a good argument to convince me that men can be women.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

On what basis?