QT/trans: What would be the worst things to happen if the concept of gender did not exist?

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[–]HeimdeklediROAR 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (12 children)

The sex binary is a part of gender. Sex trait combinations actually occur along a spectrum. With no artificial sex binary and the oppressive societies that they breed, people who are born with or desire different sex trait combinations won’t be stigmatized.

[–]AlexisK 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

I can't understand how it is related to abolition of gender at all. Gender non conformity is what stigmatized by Gender Identity movement, as it says that there must be strict gender roles of how women or men should look, act or behave. Gender Critical position is mostly to abolish gender and to promote gender non-conformity, make it norm, so everyone can look and behave however they want. So, in general, it makes very little sense in real world what you are saying.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 10 fun1 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 10 fun -  (10 children)

You have no idea what the “Gender Identity movement” is about if you think that we support any sort of gender roles. We are the gnc people, unlike most of Gender Critical with their talk of “female appearances”. Lookin at you /u/loveSloane

[–]kwallio 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You're so funny.

We are the gnc people

Where would trans ppl be without gender roles and stereotyped gender presentation

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

Um better off trans people?

[–]kwallio 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Trans aren't GNC. They literally conform to gender stereotypes, thats why they're trans. You're not doing anything revolutionary, just reinforcing gender stereotypes that hurt women.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

It’s not about conforming to societal stereotypes its about group identification

[–]kwallio 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And those groups are defined..how?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Via an instinct that cues off of certain biological traits in people (presumably some of the same traits that infants use to discern the sex of their parents) that exist in the individuals environment and then modulated through exposure to preexisting societal gender categories.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Infants discern the differences between their parents and other persons they interact with, and many of these differences are sex-linked. However, I think it's a stretch to say this means they "discern the sex of their parents."

[–]kwallio 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is just biological essentialism. Gender is not biology, biology is not gender. Do better, please.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

The more I read your comments, the more I realize how hilarious you really are 😂 I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible, thank you!

[–]HeimdeklediROAR 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Aw thanks