QT: Do you understand why women need single sex spaces?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Interesting how quickly and easily gb dismisses discomfort she doesn’t experience but other women do, when she argues that men’s feelings about womanhood aren’t considered enough by gc/radical feminists.

No empathy or tolerance there for women whatsoever.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That’s what’s baffling to me.

Like- fuck the rights, privacy, safety, sense of safety, and comfort of women and girls, men’s feelings are on the line! It’s just a stance I will never understand.

What bothers me most when women act all “pick me” towards transwomen is that they are so willing to sacrifice the rights and needs of slightly over 50% of the population for less than 1% of males. And they are willing to do this based on an ideology that not only can’t be proven, but is so easily disproven. It’s absurd to me.

And for GB’s justification to always seem to boil down to “well, I’m personally not bothered by it” and “I personally believe in tra rhetoric” just makes it that much worse.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Always, always ‘well I’m not bothered so you need to feel differently about xyz’ from gb. It’s amazing how far liberal feminists will go in terms of undermining their own interests and the interests of other women in order to be socially acceptable to a group of men.

It’s incomprehensible, cutting off her nose to spite her face but her face here is women’s rights. Like..I guess fuck elderly women, religious women, shy women, or any other woman who isn’t okay with having men in every conceivable space there is.

Gotta admire the dedication to faith I guess? When belief trumps decades of crime stats and the words of a million other women it’s some damn deep faith

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

‘well I’m not bothered so you need to feel differently about xyz’

AKA luxury beliefs ("concessions from thee, but not from me" -- often because the holder of the belief is among those least likely to actually have to use unisex locker rooms; they have alternatives).

[–]worried19 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, I also feel comfortable using the men's restroom or stripping naked in front of strangers of either sex. That doesn't mean every other woman in the world is or that I have the right to consent on their behalf.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Worried, also keep in mind that just because you feel comfortable stripping naked in front of strangers of either sex at this point in your life doesn't mean you always will at every age and in every circumstance. You might feel differently when/if you're far along in pregnancy; you become elderly; if you become disfigured due to accident or disease; if you put on a lot of weight due to aging, illness and/or disability; if you become emaciated; or even if you develop minor physical flaws that many people feel self-conscious about, such as stretch marks, scarring, cellulite, sagging, loss of muscle tone, wrinkling, pigment changes.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess so. I don't think I'd ever mind being naked due to appearance, but I hadn't thought about becoming older and infirm. I was comfortable naked as a kid and teenager and now in my 20s, but I'm in the prime of life right now.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not to be a downer, but even in the prime of life people can and do come down with diseases, and fall victim to accidents and tragic events, that result in massive bodily changes - wasting/emaciation, crippling, amputations, visible scarring, "grotesque" swellings, visible growths and skin markings (tumors, lesions like Kaposi's sarcoma, severe psoriasis, full-body rashes, loss of all body and head hair...). Such changes can markedly change our feelings about our bodies, and can make us far, far less comfortable being seen naked by others than when we were healthy and looked "normal."

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true. I suppose you'd never know for sure how it would feel unless it happened to you.