QT: Why is bigoted/violence to misgender someone, but mandatory to missex them?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

You have no idea what I do in day to day life but ok. Yet again presume I’m out there trying to hurt y’all all day long. I’m asking questions about why you think what you think. It’s got nothing to do with what choices I make so cool it with the accusations for once in your damn life.

What is insulting about male? Why is recognising your sex the same as calling someone a c—t or a piece of shit?

Because it hurts the persons feelings or because it’s objectively insulting?

Care to answer anything I asked or just gonna accuse me of more shit you infer from some being asked something?

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I recognize I am male but it’s still a terrible thing to be called. That’s also not the same as man which is well worse. Even male is insulting because it’s insulting. It’s calling someone fat or mocking a disability or deformity. If someone hates something about themself, espescially if they’ve changed it as much as possible. It’s at best a petty cruelty to refer to them as if that’s their defining trait.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

So you can’t explain how it is an insult beyond you dislike being reminded of your sex.

Nobody is saying it’s anybody’s single defining trait. It is one trait they have, and that trait happens to be what we base pronouns on.

Once again that is purely your personal interpretation, clearly coloured by years of resentment towards the males who made you feel dreadful as a child and adolescent. Since it appears you are still incapable of considering anything without your personal bias blinders on, I realise my questions are futile and you will simply continue to call me petty, cruel, and whatever else

It is rude and petty to say that someone’s feelings about compelled speech are insignificant in comparison to your idiosyncratic interpretation of someone recognising your sex.

Good luck with the thought and speech policing. Maybe you’ll find the control over other people’s perceptions of you that you’re seeking. Interacting with you again was a mistake. No need to respond.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

Well since you asked a bunch of questions and insults I guess I will answer the for posterity anyway.

It’s a self evident insult. It is fundamentally hateful and disrespectful. I’d be less offended by being called ugly, stupid, or so many other things than being called a man.

Nobody is saying it’s anybody’s single defining trait.

You are. You are defining us and labeling us by that one trait over our objections and best efforts. How are you not treating it as a defining trait?

It is rude and petty to say that someone’s feelings about compelled speech are insignificant in comparison to your idiosyncratic interpretation of someone recognising your sex.

You have the option to say nothing or use neutral address. It’s in no way compelled speech. No one is forcing you to talk.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

It’s not fundamentally an insult because you dont like it. Why would you be the arbiter of what’s an insult and what’s not?

It’s like you’re physically incapable of recognising that other people have different thoughts to you lmao.

No, you’re just insisting we shit the fuck up forever because your feelings get hurt by your choice to assign meaning to a word that nobody else assigns to it.

Shocker, no explanations beyond “my feeling is a fact”

When I call a customer sir, I can assure you that I’m not right there informing him of everything he is. You just think that’s what’s happening because you reject the idea that other people define man as adult human male and not the garbage you’ve convinced yourself the word means.

Knowing a male is male says exactly nothing about his character, intelligence, ability, attractiveness, or choices. Only you and conservative sexists think that male is means or infers anything other than sex.

And now you’ll ignore all this and repeat that male is the worst word in the universe to call anyone cause you still either can’t or choose not to recognise anything other than your emotions as being real.

Really, good luck with managing to control others. Call people petty and cruel some more and they will see that your feelings are what defines words.

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Insults are always inherently a subjective phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (25 children)

You pretending that it isn’t intended as an insult is honestly baffling.

You use calling a customer sir as an example so let’s go from there. You clock a trans woman. You know she is a trans woman. You could say M’aam or miss but you obviously would object to that. You could also just leave off the address. Simply say “Have a nice day” or “What can I do for you?”. Gendered address need not enter it. Instead you actively choose to call someone that you know they will be insulted and hurt by. You know perfectly well how they would feel about being called that and that they will be insulted. Why use a gendered address at all when simply saying nothing causes no harm and is literally less work?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

Love how you repeatedly presume I’m calling transwomen sir all day every day and not just asking you questions. Really drives home how you refuse to register what’s actually being said to you in order to continue ignoring what you can’t answer.

I’m pretending nothing. I’m saying that you interpreting a word as an insult does not suddenly make it an actual insult to anyone else. I’m saying that the word is used to say adult human male and not whatever bullshit sexism you prefer to claim it is.

Seriously either actually answer me or go make up stories about other people’s day.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

I’m saying that you interpreting a word as an insult does not suddenly make it an actual insult to anyone else.

It’s an insult to all trans women. And all trans inclusive people would agree. It’s not some personally subjective idea. It’s the whole group.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

You asked them all individually? Impressive.

Since you’ve got the answers to what all transwomen think, what’s the consensus on where yaniv should drop a piss?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

If I had my way in a single occupancy bathroom but you’ll get a split answer on that one.

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It would wisely be considered an insult yes