GC: Are we reducing people to their reproductive organs/ability? Is gender identity a mental illness? And if so, what are the similarities between gender identity and other mental illnesses?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

“There it was, their comparing being gay being falsely seen as a "mental illness" before to being transgender being seen as a mental illness, and claiming that because being gay was falsely classified as a "mental illness", so was being transgender.”

Being homosexual doesn’t involve any discomfort in your body, or any sense of being something you have no experience being. They aren’t comparable at all. Gay people don’t demand that others see them as anything other than equally deserving of rights and respect. Trans people want the rest of us to call men women, women men, and to rethink and redefine our sexualities (gay or straight) to include them. I’m not elaborating much but my point is just that there’s such a huge difference between being gay and being trans.

“That as declassifying being gay as a "mental illness" reduced the stigma attached to being gay, the same occurs or will occur by declassifying being transgender as a mental illness.”

Homosexuality not being classified as a mental illness don’t do very much to de stigmatize being gay. It’s not like as soon as it was declassified, the straights were automatically more accepting and less homophobic.

“But is being transgender not a mental illness? What about gender identity?”

I kind of think that being trans is technically the physical state, not the mentality. So how can you call someone’s physical body mentally ill? Gender dysphoria is still a mental health issue. Gender identity can’t even be clearly explained, it’s not a real thing, imo. It’s just an attempt to make it sound like rather than having a mental disorder, they have this sense of self that we don’t understand or relate to because we aren’t trans.

“And if being transgender and gender identity are mental illnesses, what are the similarities between them and other mental illnesses?”

I’d first point out that not only is it similar to some other mental illnesses, more likely than not someone who’s dysphoric likely has other mental health issues as well. Narcissism, ptsd, depression, even autism seems to be common (not saying autism is anything like the other examples, just saying that other conditions seem to be prevalent alongside dysphoria/the trans community.)

There’s also other types of dysphoria, body integrity disorder, ive seem some pretty compelling arguments for comparing it to eating disorders, especially anorexia. In fact a lot of former anorexia sites have now turned into trans community sites.

Disclaimer for my comments: I feel like I have some sort of “pregnancy fog” it’s hard for me to articulate myself right now lol, sorry if I’m not wording things well today)

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

they have this sense of self that we don’t understand or relate to because we aren’t trans

It always was confusing me: if they have some inner sense of being woman and feeling like a woman, but no other woman have it - aren't this means they are not a woman, as their sense of self is different to all women and separates them as a clear distinguished group?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep. It’s why the idea that women all have a woman identity and just don’t know about it is pushed so hard. Without that it becomes clear that they are simply men having a male experience that they cannot handle.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That would make us "trans transwomen".

Hm. If transwomen wearing dress in Scotland are protected from being discriminated for this dress, but women wearing same dress are not protected - would we be protected as "trans transwomen"?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Haha women being protected anywhere. That’s a good one.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They say we don’t notice it because our sex matches our gender identity. When they do try to explain the concept, one of three things happens: (1) they can’t explain what gender identity even feels like- they just “knew” they were women/men inside, (2) they explain it but it’s them explaining feeling discomfort and or disconnect in their body- which is basically them describing dysphoria but calling it gender identity, or (3) they do explain it and it’s literally them explaining that they liked dolls and dresses and pink as a child. It seems to mean something different to each of them, but all women are supposed to have it, too. The people who use the last one also can’t account for why not all women like dolls and dresses and pink, yet them liking those things means they themselves are women.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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Then why only them, 0.6% of all people have such feeling, but not the 99.4%? There so many people in the world and humanity lived for millenia - someone from those 99.4% at least few times should be having such feel or mentioned it.

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They would be surprised on how many women have at least partial dissasotiation with our bodies, especially during puberty. And it is not even speaking about victims of sexual assaults.

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In my experience - only around 10-15% or less of women are liking dolls or/and pink. And maybe up to third girls and mostly only because they had no other choice.

I was playing soviet analogue of LEGO, for example, and liked cars (and grow up to be an engineer). Almost no girl in my childhood played with dolls, actually.