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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for sharing your perspective! Your comments are always so detailed and well thought out.

I usually think of women’s lib as like the civil rights act with title VII and title IX and other legislation in the 60s, and then sort of ending after the defeat of ERA. You are totally right that it was building for longer though. You could go back further too with like the suffragettes, Margaret Sanger, and Seneca Falls.

The 80s also seemed like it was better too. I was born in the 80s, but wasn’t old enough to remember them.

Totally agree. I feel “trans rights” provides the excuse so many people (mostly males) were waiting for to express their misogyny. They can say any vile thing to women and be cheered on as long as she is a “terf” or transphobic. Deep down, so many men take real pleasure in degrading and demeaning women. I’m always so surprised more people don’t see it in what is happening now.

That’s really neat that you were one of the first women to attend your college. Thank you for doing that! I’m sure it wasn’t easy.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Peaking, first off I want to say that I am sorry that what is going on in the world today has put people like me at loggerheads with people like you. Women like me used to be the staunchest allies of homosexual men who were labelled "effeminate." During the AIDS crisis, it was women of feminist sensibilities who took the lead in providing care and compassion to male transvestites and transsexuals with HIV at a time when many other gay men wanted nothing to do with their "swishy" brethren. There's a reason that the 1990 film Paris Is Burning was directed/made by a woman.

But with the rise of misogynistic "trans" politics, women like me have had to stand back & draw our boundaries, siding with the 51% of the human population who are of the female sex rather than with persons of the male sex who buck sex stereotypes.

One of the differences between what's going on today with women's spaces and the male college/uni I went to is that women like me did not show up en masse on previously all-male campuses one day and say "we belong here now and if you disagree we'll rape and kill you." What happened was that the all-male boards of trustees of these institutions absorbed what feminists were saying, deliberated about whether to admit girls/women, decided yes they should, and then put out press releases asking female students to apply for admission.

Another point that I feel does not get enough emphasis - and which gets me into hot water with other feminists for bringing it up - is that the 19th amendment to the US constitution that extended voting rights to women was passed by an entirely male federal legislature, and ratified by state legislatures that were almost entirely male as well.

Similarly, all the landmark civil rights laws that have extended other rights and provisions to female people have been passed by predominantly male lawmakers. The SCOTUS jurists who decided Roe v Wade in the US were all male.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish we weren’t on opposite ends of this. I always felt like we were, or should be, allies to you too, and I worked for feminist causes when it could (still do). This all used to feel so much simpler. I felt like we had the same interests and still do, but “trans rights” trying to take women’s rights away means we can’t be a part of the same movement that way anymore. 😢 I hope it isn’t forever. Maybe this moment will pass.