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[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I very much disagree with this point made by emptiedriver

it were, everyone who was trans would get full SRS, and the questions of biological difference would at least be significantly reduced (eg, the issue of people with penises being allowed into women's shelters, prisons, dressing rooms etc would not come up)

Coz imany girls and women - and many men especially fathers and grandfathers - don't just think it's inappropriate for males with penises to be in women's shelters, prisons, change rooms, toilets, hospital wards, sports and so on. Most people think it's not appropriate for all and any males over age 7 regardless of their genital configuration, sexual orientation and claimed "identities" to be in female spaces.

I don't think that's disagreeing with me. I just said the issue would be reduced because at least the question of penises would not come up. The question of males regardless of genital reconfiguration would still be an issue, of course. But at the moment, 90+% of the people who are fighting for rights to access are intact males. If we can all agree that they should not have access, and that the only questions should be about whether or in what cases males with full SRS could have access, I think that would be progress. But pro trans people like Tain-Reich have to be fully clear - to their own side - that they do not support people with penises calling themselves women or accessing women's spaces.