GC: Are there specific alternative treatments to SRS and HRT that have proven effective for successfully treating the most severe forms of gender dysphoria or transsexualism?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Nobody is researching better outcomes at all. The only thing being researched is new ways to make pseudo vaginas. Nobody is exploring treatments outside of hormones and rearranging genitals.

Pimozide has shown potential in ending feelings of gender dysphoria but is not explored. Therapy that does not affirm gender as legitimate is not explored.

The funding is going to charities like mermaids that target lonely children and indoctrinate them with extreme gendered ideas. There’s no lack of money for surgeons experimenting with new genital surgeries.

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More people might advocate for it and donate money to the cause as more people detransition or their gender dysphoria desists (hopefully I'm using that word right). That may take another 5-10 years. I'm not sure how long it takes for people to develop gender dysphoria from gender dysphoria treatment if it was never appropriate.

Out of curiosity, since there is no research that supports any other treatment that may be successful in alleviating transsexualism or severe early onset gender dysphoria, do you feel that procedures like SRS or HRT are appropriate or warranted in those circumstances since those are the only things that have been shown to reduce gender dysphoria or sex dysphoria?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t believe in srs or hormones as treatment at all. I consider it as ethical as a lobotomy. Surgery does not fix mental distress. It merely masks it.

What should be done is dedicated research into therapies that aid the patients ability to cope with mental incongruencies with their bodies, the way we do for eating disorder patients.

Idk what you mean by people developing gender dysphoria from gender dysphoria treatment 🤷🏼‍♀️

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So I suppose this goes back to your first comment, about what you personally believe the treatment should be for gender dysphoria and transsexualism, which would be experimental in this context. Hopefully they would work! And hopefully research can be done to come up with better treatments.

What I meant is that a lot of people, but not all, desist or detransition because they feel that transition was not right for them and describe living as the opposite sex or gender as wrong for them, which is essentially a person with gender dysphoria's feelings about perceiving themselves as their natal sex. I suspect that for a lot of people where gender dysphoria treatment doesn't work and especially makes things worse, they didn't really have gender dysphoria or anything like transsexualism to begin with, so the traditional treatment feels wrong and does more harm than good.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean a lot of genital surgery is purely experimental, especially now that children are not experiencing puberty and then getting surgery on insufficient tissue like that tv boy, jazz Jennings. (Poor kid will never experience arousal or an orgasm cause he never developed the ability to, and his surgery was an experiment described as a patchwork quilt of tissues and has required extensive revision)

So you’re agreeing that surgery and hormones as first line treatment is far more harmful than helpful considering all the people who desist? That’s cool.

Long term therapy, (not like, thirty hours of answering questions and begrudging the therapist, “or I started CBT 27 days ago and it DOESNT WORK” bullshit. actual productive therapy the patient commits to and works at) is gonna do less harm than Lupron and weed out the patients who shouldn’t be encouraged to undergo cosmetic surgery. It’s better even if it’s just as experimental as the hormone blockers in healthy children is.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

describe living as the opposite sex or gender as wrong for them, which is essentially a person with gender dysphoria's feelings about perceiving themselves as their natal sex.

Two problems with this take:

  1. Assuming that "living as the opposite sex" is in any way related to what sex you are or feel as. I do not want to live as the opposite sex, I do not get validated by it, just the opposite. But I have to live that way, because I live in a patriarchal society. My lifetime living this way has unwillingly informed my (and everyone's) behaviour, but that does not make me more or less of a woman, it just explains my socialisation.

  2. Plastic surgeries and artificially induced hormone imbalance =/= living as the opposite sex. The fact remains that changing a person's sex is impossible in any way. It is ultimately a superficial change.

I suspect that for a lot of people where gender dysphoria treatment doesn't work and especially makes things worse, they didn't really have gender dysphoria or anything like transsexualism to begin with

So, what did they have, then? What are these mental disorders where a person feels extreme discomfort with their sex and the way they're perceived, why are they not described as anything other than "trans" by the medical community and moreover why are we obliged to validate it as "real trans" with no ifs or buts or else we're fascists for questioning their identity?

which is essentially a person with gender dysphoria's feelings about perceiving themselves as their natal sex

You're assuming that not responding to current trans treatment = not being real trans. Given that changing one's sex is impossible, I don't really see how many plastic surgeries a person gets as more or less valid to one's gender feelings. However, you might argue in turn that the validity of the trans label doesn't matter, only whether transition will help with whatever mental disorder the person has, and since regretting these extreme body modifications is the only way to tell who is "really" trans, you've now got a bunch of people who underwent destructive plastic surgeries and regretted it after the fact, but they can at least comfort themselves in the knowledge that they're not "real trans". Here you see why GC are so opposed to such widespread availability of trans treatment: you're obliged to validate whatever the patient says, treat it like "real trans" because they want different pronouns and then if they regret it later after feeling like they've mutilated themselves, shrug your shoulders and say "Guess you weren't really trans", despite trans being the only current explanation for these conditions.