GC: Why are penises, testes, etc considered strictly male organs, and vaginas, uteruses, etc strictly female organs? What's wrong with the view that women have penises, etc too and can produce sperm, or that men have vaginas, uteruses, etc too and can get pregnant?

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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The potential was there, disease, age, or deliberate interference remove the ability. The person still had the potential. 🙄 goddamn.

Gamete production is a sex trait. Gynomastica interferes with the silly graphs and charts tra try to pass off as the ~spectrum of sex~

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If they can’t do it then no they don’t have the potential. To have the potential to do it there must at some point be an event that gives them the capacity to. Absent such an event actually occurring to them in the future, then no they have no potential to do so.

What the hell is “gynomastica”?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

They did have the potential. The goddamn fetus was male or female before it was born and got a hysterectomy/vasectomy/cancer/old and that’s why they are either male or female. Are dense or deliberately obtuse?

Gynecomastica, whatever, when men grow tits because of a hormone imbalance.

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If they can no longer produce gametes, then they no longer have potential. Also you knock it off with the insults, ableist. Just because you disagree with an idea does not warrant using them.

Just admit that gamete production potential is only one aspect of determining sex, and then we can move on in the discussion.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They were born with a reproductive system that had one of two potentials. I’m not being ableist by correcting your wrong statements.

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You’re ableist for using ableist insults. Also if they lack the ability to produce gametes then they lack the potential to do so.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And you’re ignorant for saying ignorant things.

The potential comes from them developing either a male or female reproductive system, ding dong.

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Are insults supposed to be at all convincing to anyone? Grow up.

There are no male or female reproductive systems, just reproductive systems

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Wrong but ok.

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A much more mature viewpoint. Only not really because maturity is subjective just like everything else but still, well done.

[–]BubblyBrush[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

While you two are having a conversation, I wanted to jump in and say you were the one who started being unnecessarily aggressive with the "goddamn gametes", eventhough Catbug was calmly explaining themselves to you. https://imgur.com/QrFb0lZ

I think it's best you both calm down and take a breath because it's like you're both mad at each other

And saying that someone is dense or obtuse is not ableism. They are just telling you you don't seem to grasp what they are saying so there must be an issue there you have to fix before Catbug can continue the discussion with you. There can't be a discussion when one side does not and refuses to understand the other side.

I think this is one of the issues with the left. They think saying someone is stupid or has a 'disability' is ableism. In that case, ableism itself wouldn't exist because you think either noone has an issue or a disability, or the issue or the disability should not be talked about.

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You are mistaken. The goddamn gamete thing was just repeating what they said to me:

They absolutely do. The potential to produce or to have produced one of two gametes is what determines a persons sex. What other system is there? What goddamn gametes will they produce?

Call your boss dense and see if they don’t take it as an intelligence-based insult, and being an insult that revolves around intellectual capacities it is inherently ableist.

Ableist insults like “stupid” are also inherently ableist. You’re using someone’s presumed lack of intelligence as measured by your arbitrary standards to denigrate them. That is definitely ableism

[–]BubblyBrush[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh makes sense why you said "goddamn gametes", my bad for not noticing. From your tones in your comments, I started thinking you both were mad at each other and couldn't continue the discussion properly though? Was I mistaken on that too? 😟

I get if I told my boss she were dense she would take it as an insult and most likely fire me 😓. But denigration is unfair criticism. When someone (take my boss) truly is incapable of understanding things, then that's not ableist to tell them they are dense, if not stupid. I don't really think a word can be "inherently" anything, bad or good. We give words meaning, and power. If someone calls me "stupid" and I don't think of "stupid" as an insult, then the word immediately loses the power the other party believed it could have over me and is not an insult anymore, to me.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not mad at all. Bemused and foul-mouthed, but not angry ☺️

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They got frustrated with me first I feel. I understand though that that’s not an excuse for being snippy back.

Try to come up with a scenario where you call someone else dense or stupid and they don’t take it as an insult.