GC: Why are penises, testes, etc considered strictly male organs, and vaginas, uteruses, etc strictly female organs? What's wrong with the view that women have penises, etc too and can produce sperm, or that men have vaginas, uteruses, etc too and can get pregnant?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

People without gametes are sexless?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

People who don’t produce gametes still fall into one of two possible sexually reproductive roles. What is the third potential gamete and who is making it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

No they don't, without gametes you don't have a reproductive role

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

They absolutely do. The potential to produce or to have produced one of two gametes is what determines a persons sex.

What other system is there? What goddamn gametes will they produce?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

If you can’t produce any goddamn gametes then you have no potential to produce any goddamn gametes. Thus according to the gamete definition of sex classification that those individuals lack a sex. Only going by a total anatomy model can you have people who don’t produce gametes but have a sex trait classification

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The potential was there, disease, age, or deliberate interference remove the ability. The person still had the potential. 🙄 goddamn.

Gamete production is a sex trait. Gynomastica interferes with the silly graphs and charts tra try to pass off as the ~spectrum of sex~

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

If they can’t do it then no they don’t have the potential. To have the potential to do it there must at some point be an event that gives them the capacity to. Absent such an event actually occurring to them in the future, then no they have no potential to do so.

What the hell is “gynomastica”?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

They did have the potential. The goddamn fetus was male or female before it was born and got a hysterectomy/vasectomy/cancer/old and that’s why they are either male or female. Are dense or deliberately obtuse?

Gynecomastica, whatever, when men grow tits because of a hormone imbalance.

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If they can no longer produce gametes, then they no longer have potential. Also you knock it off with the insults, ableist. Just because you disagree with an idea does not warrant using them.

Just admit that gamete production potential is only one aspect of determining sex, and then we can move on in the discussion.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They were born with a reproductive system that had one of two potentials. I’m not being ableist by correcting your wrong statements.

[–]BubblyBrush[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

While you two are having a conversation, I wanted to jump in and say you were the one who started being unnecessarily aggressive with the "goddamn gametes", eventhough Catbug was calmly explaining themselves to you. https://imgur.com/QrFb0lZ

I think it's best you both calm down and take a breath because it's like you're both mad at each other

And saying that someone is dense or obtuse is not ableism. They are just telling you you don't seem to grasp what they are saying so there must be an issue there you have to fix before Catbug can continue the discussion with you. There can't be a discussion when one side does not and refuses to understand the other side.

I think this is one of the issues with the left. They think saying someone is stupid or has a 'disability' is ableism. In that case, ableism itself wouldn't exist because you think either noone has an issue or a disability, or the issue or the disability should not be talked about.