Trans people/QT: What is the best or most important thing gender critical people can do to help you?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

There is an overwhelming avalanche of evidence that transition provides positive mental health changes and dysphoria is unelected by anything else. It’s necessary care.

As long as we can’t hide we are targets for discrimination which we have no legal protection from.

[–]DistantGlimmer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I have not seen an "overwhelming avalanche of evidence". The transition seems to help some but others detransition.

Hiding is not the solution. Making being opennly trans more acceptable is a better solution. You have the same rights against discrimination anyone else has. Why do people need all kinds of special privileges based on some bullshit "gender identity" which bluntly cannot be proven to exist? Being gender critical most of us are also gender non-conforming, we support the destigmatization of gender non-conforming people but not the misogynistic notion of gender identity which current trans activism is regrettably based upon.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It’s literally legal to discriminate against people for being trans here in every area but employment. That’s why we need protections.

Making us into circus freaks Who have to be pariah isn’t going to help us. Those of us luck enough to blend and have real lives should be able to. Actual protections might actually help us.

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Making us into circus freaks Who have to be pariah isn’t going to help us. T>

Holy shit, why do you think your self-loathing is other people's (specifically women's) responsibility to deal with? If anyone GC said this about trans people you'd (actually quite rightly) excoriate them.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Literally none of that was self loathing.

It’s legal to discriminate against trans people and you want to make it impossible to hide you are trans. Guaranteeing discrimination.

My self loathing isn’t a necessary component,

[–]DistantGlimmer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You are saying that trans people who don't hide they are trans are "circus freaks". Pretty obvious you can't accept what you actually are and feel the need to hide it. I don't feel this way about trans people neither do the vast majority of GC people. It's your own issues that make you assume other people also think this way.

I obviously don't think it should be legal to discriminate against people for being gender non-conforming or identifying themselves as trans. It is not legal where I live.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

No I’m saying you want to make us circus freaks by forcing us to be objects of public ridicule under some ludicrous justification that it will somehow make people accept us instead of just making us easier targets.

Women are taught to be nice and trans people play on emotion and for sympathy.

I can’t hide. I’m an ape creature. It’s a huge bummer. But some people aren’t so unlucky and could have a chance at normal lives. You want to deny them that. That’s very uncool.

I don't feel this way about trans people neither do the vast majority of GC people.

Making fun of our appearance is basically a constant stream on gc. You can’t be serious.

I obviously don't think it should be legal to discriminate against people for being gender non-conforming or identifying themselves as trans. It is not legal where I live.

Here it is legal to discriminate against someone for being trans federally in every avenue except employment. That’s it. And that came from a Supreme Court case this year. There will be no more rights on that venue because a middle left judge was replaced with a far right one this week.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Most people don't ridicule trans people. The main reason GC people are so hated by so many other people is because we are seen as not sympathizing sufficiently with the hardships trans people face. There's no actual evidence that increasing the visibility of trans people as trans would somehow cause a lessening of acceptance or increase in ridicule. This is just what you have decided in your mind.

I don't think hiding your biological sex is a "normal life" nor is it a moral thing to do. Given the choice, I would prefer to be female as well but it's not a choice we have. Some stuff we just have to live with and make the best of.

I don't make fun of trans people's appearances and I honestly haven't seen many GC women doing that either. Maybe the odd time if some transwoman is being completely misogynistic as kind of retaliation but the way you look is not the issue.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Most people don't ridicule trans people

Enough do. It doesn’t take a majority

There's no actual evidence that increasing the visibility of trans people as trans would somehow cause a lessening of acceptance or increase in ridicule.

There’s no evidence it would reduce ridicule or increase acceptance, but it guarantees that anyone with a mind to can hurt us.

I don't think hiding your biological sex is a "normal life" nor is it a moral thing to do. Given the choice, I would prefer to be female as well but it's not a choice we have. Some stuff we just have to live with and make the best of.

Out trans people don’t get to live normal lives. We are discriminated against, targeted, and marginalized. We don’t get to just be people.

I don't make fun of trans people's appearances and I honestly haven't seen many GC women doing that either.

I’m not calling you a liar but that’s very surprising because hardly a post on gc main goes by without making fun of a trans persons appearance.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So your solution is that we have to sacrifice any sex-based rights and distinctions and accept gender identity as true because a small minority of people might discriminate against trans women otherwise? How is that justice? Tons of different types of people can get discriminated against or marginalized for a variety of reasons. We try to protect them and work on the prejudiced attitudes against them but not at the expense of the rights of a much larger group of people.

What you say is not my experience at all with GC groups. Mostly if there is complaint it is about the specific actions of TRAs, not their looks.