Trans people/QT: What is the best or most important thing gender critical people can do to help you?

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[–]DistantGlimmer 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

You have no rights to cosmetic surgery or to hide your identity. Transwomen need to learn to deal with their dysphoria in a way that doesn't require them to hide their true identity. I am not against adults transitioning and even getting that covered if it is shown to be medically necessary. but if we are talking about the US where many actually life-threatening procedures are not covered I don't see why an exception should be made for transwomen's psychological needs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

There is an overwhelming avalanche of evidence that transition provides positive mental health changes and dysphoria is unelected by anything else. It’s necessary care.

As long as we can’t hide we are targets for discrimination which we have no legal protection from.

[–]DistantGlimmer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I have not seen an "overwhelming avalanche of evidence". The transition seems to help some but others detransition.

Hiding is not the solution. Making being opennly trans more acceptable is a better solution. You have the same rights against discrimination anyone else has. Why do people need all kinds of special privileges based on some bullshit "gender identity" which bluntly cannot be proven to exist? Being gender critical most of us are also gender non-conforming, we support the destigmatization of gender non-conforming people but not the misogynistic notion of gender identity which current trans activism is regrettably based upon.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

It’s literally legal to discriminate against people for being trans here in every area but employment. That’s why we need protections.

Making us into circus freaks Who have to be pariah isn’t going to help us. Those of us luck enough to blend and have real lives should be able to. Actual protections might actually help us.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

So stop calling kids circus freaks for being trans.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You are the ones that want to make us freaks. I want to give those who can a chance to hide and make sure those of us who can’t (like me) can still scrape together some semblance of a life.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You’re the only one here who thinks they are freaks. You’re the one dehumanising and othering and degrading trans kids.

Society needs to make the room these kids deserve, not force them into hiding or be called abominations by older people like them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Society thinks we are freaks. And it’s laughable to pretend otherwise. But you are so desperate to pretend trans people aren’t marginalized Im not surprised you deny that too.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What part of society needs to make room denies marginalisation?

I’m so fucking tired of you making up shit I didn’t say and demanding answers for it while ignoring my actual words. I got enough of that from men at my old office job.

Address my points or just hush.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“Society need to make room” But also all protections they have should be removed and they shouldn’t have any evause society should just tolerate them so there’s no danger for trans women in men’s spaces and anyone that laughs at them or persecutes them is wrong but also we shouldn’t do anything about it.

Your false concern is a joke.

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Making us into circus freaks Who have to be pariah isn’t going to help us. T>

Holy shit, why do you think your self-loathing is other people's (specifically women's) responsibility to deal with? If anyone GC said this about trans people you'd (actually quite rightly) excoriate them.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Literally none of that was self loathing.

It’s legal to discriminate against trans people and you want to make it impossible to hide you are trans. Guaranteeing discrimination.

My self loathing isn’t a necessary component,

[–]DistantGlimmer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You are saying that trans people who don't hide they are trans are "circus freaks". Pretty obvious you can't accept what you actually are and feel the need to hide it. I don't feel this way about trans people neither do the vast majority of GC people. It's your own issues that make you assume other people also think this way.

I obviously don't think it should be legal to discriminate against people for being gender non-conforming or identifying themselves as trans. It is not legal where I live.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

No I’m saying you want to make us circus freaks by forcing us to be objects of public ridicule under some ludicrous justification that it will somehow make people accept us instead of just making us easier targets.

Women are taught to be nice and trans people play on emotion and for sympathy.

I can’t hide. I’m an ape creature. It’s a huge bummer. But some people aren’t so unlucky and could have a chance at normal lives. You want to deny them that. That’s very uncool.

I don't feel this way about trans people neither do the vast majority of GC people.

Making fun of our appearance is basically a constant stream on gc. You can’t be serious.

I obviously don't think it should be legal to discriminate against people for being gender non-conforming or identifying themselves as trans. It is not legal where I live.

Here it is legal to discriminate against someone for being trans federally in every avenue except employment. That’s it. And that came from a Supreme Court case this year. There will be no more rights on that venue because a middle left judge was replaced with a far right one this week.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Most people don't ridicule trans people. The main reason GC people are so hated by so many other people is because we are seen as not sympathizing sufficiently with the hardships trans people face. There's no actual evidence that increasing the visibility of trans people as trans would somehow cause a lessening of acceptance or increase in ridicule. This is just what you have decided in your mind.

I don't think hiding your biological sex is a "normal life" nor is it a moral thing to do. Given the choice, I would prefer to be female as well but it's not a choice we have. Some stuff we just have to live with and make the best of.

I don't make fun of trans people's appearances and I honestly haven't seen many GC women doing that either. Maybe the odd time if some transwoman is being completely misogynistic as kind of retaliation but the way you look is not the issue.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Most people don't ridicule trans people

Enough do. It doesn’t take a majority

There's no actual evidence that increasing the visibility of trans people as trans would somehow cause a lessening of acceptance or increase in ridicule.

There’s no evidence it would reduce ridicule or increase acceptance, but it guarantees that anyone with a mind to can hurt us.

I don't think hiding your biological sex is a "normal life" nor is it a moral thing to do. Given the choice, I would prefer to be female as well but it's not a choice we have. Some stuff we just have to live with and make the best of.

Out trans people don’t get to live normal lives. We are discriminated against, targeted, and marginalized. We don’t get to just be people.

I don't make fun of trans people's appearances and I honestly haven't seen many GC women doing that either.

I’m not calling you a liar but that’s very surprising because hardly a post on gc main goes by without making fun of a trans persons appearance.

[–]penelopekitty 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Actually there isn't. The APA recently refuted the one study that said there was. Their statement said that transition did NOT improve mental health outcomes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You are incorrect.

[–]penelopekitty 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I'm not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You absolutely are.

[–]penelopekitty 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Nope.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2020.1778correction

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Literally all credible studies done show increased mental health outcomes. One done recently shows affirming a child’s gender leads to increased mental health. Hormones have a north of 95 percent satisfaction rate. Even bottom surgery has over 90.

Only wild conspiracy theories would even assert that it doesn’t lead to improved mental health.

You can challenge whether it’s appropriate or right on whatever made up moral ground you want but you cannot credibly assert transition doesn’t improve mental health for trans people.

[–]penelopekitty 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You clearly didn't read the study.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You clearly don’t pay attention to the scientific consensus.