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[–]DistantGlimmer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Like I acknowledge I am male." I think this is all Debbie Hayton is doing. They are an adult human male. They are certainly not a stereotypically masculine man but why is that what a man has to be? Why can't the definition be expanded at least for some people who are comfortable with it? I'm fine with you making the distinction of being male but "not a man" for yourself but accusing others of "faking" and not having dysphoria is quite shitty honestly. The word doesn't have the same negative connotations to everyone that it has to you.

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Why can't the definition be expanded at least for some people who are comfortable with it?

I have no issue with a man being feminine even taking hormones and calling themselves a man. I don’t have any problem with that but if they consider themselves a man, I don’t consider them a trans woman. They think they are a man so they aren’t a trans woman to me. There’s nothing wrong with what they are doing but I don’t feel we are the same thing. If t he y can consider themself a man without being a dysphoric mess or a puddle of depression we aren’t in the same boat.

[–]DistantGlimmer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK I think I get what you're saying here.I think Debbie and a few others I've talked to still have dysphoria though and just view the term "man" differently than you do and perhaps it doesn't trigger their dysphoria as much but perhaps there is a difference between them and you and your dysphoria is more severe in some ways.