Both: What do you hate about your natal sex/gender?

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[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

We're not assigned a sex, but we are assigned a gender. Do you disagree?

[–]uwubunny 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

I do disagree. I don't think anyone can define "gender", or say what "the genders" are without creating circularities, and I don't think we're assigned anything.

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Would you agree that we are assigned gender roles and gender stereotypes depending on our sex?

That's how I was defining "gender."

[–]uwubunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Could you give an example?

People use "gender" as a euphemism for sex. You fill in a form that says gender, you reply male or female.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

If you are male, then there are certain roles, expectations, and stereotypes that you are expected to fulfill because you were born with XY chromosomes and a penis.

"Boys don't cry" is a good example. I'm speaking of gender the social construct in GC terms.

[–]uwubunny 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Even if we're dealing in stereotypes peculiar to white American culture, men aren't thought of as odd for crying when their football teams win or in other intense situations.

How do you know that isn't just the way that men tend to be? There are plenty of reports that when men transition and take estrogen they tend to cry a lot more.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

If you don't believe there are gender stereotypes associated with being of the male sex, then I suppose this question doesn't apply to you.

[–]uwubunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Sure there are sex stereotypes, but my point is that they're largely accurate and don't seem to be heavily enforced. I've been to school. I don't remember the boys having classes on how to be violent, or anything. I'm sure we would have noticed.

It might be that the enforcement is the other way around. Maybe part of the way adults bring kids up is trying to make boys less boy-like. Children are pretty nasty selfish creatures by default.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Then I guess that's your answer. You don't hate any of the sex stereotypes associated with being male.

[–]uwubunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You might as well ask what we dislike about, say, sharks. Sharks harm certain animals by existing, a bit like the male sex drive is inherently dangerous to women, but the first step has to be accepting that we're seeing a natural process here. Ideally, nobody would harm anyone, and the obvious way to do that in the matter of sexual harm, is to separate men and women from one another as far as possible.